A Collision Course: Sex Trafficking, GOP Debates, and Oliver Anthony

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This was an interesting week to say the least.

Are they ever not?

Had to think about what you said. This is a double negative. I'm glad you caught up. Are they ever nodding?

Help. That was crazy, though. But but thanks to, Justin Bizarro last week for

doing an interview with us, talking about the food chain. Food chain.

The food supply chain and

what we eat, why it's important,

why we need to buy local,

what obesity is and what it's caused from,

what being too skinny is and what it's caused from and things like that. I I thought that was a pretty good and eye opening episode.

For sure. And it's all things that we

talk about

Yeah. Either on the podcast or not. And, honestly, it might come up a couple of times as we continue

on today's journey Yes. With all the topics. But Yes. Justin did a great job, and I can't wait to have him back. Yeah. Yeah. I think,

he he's he's pretty knowledgeable in that space, and I think it's very important for everybody to kinda understand where their food is coming from

and why it's important

to try to buy from a small

small guy and not a big corporation because we all know how that goes. Big corporations

tend to

want

money

over

your health.

Mhmm. And

it all kind of adds up to me. It's like, hey. Are they in cahoots with pharmaceuticals

and things like that?

We are at the tip of the iceberg with Justin, in my opinion. Oh, yes.

He mentioned

mental health and the being an impact on, you know well, I guess, the food that you eat being an impact on your mental health, we can go down that rabbit hole with him, and I can't wait. Yeah. 100%. I think it's important that we hit that topic with him. Yeah. Do you think Soon.

Mental health

decline in America is because of the food partially because of the food supply?

Maybe. Uh-huh. I think there is a whole lot more we can cover with him, and I can't wait to have him back. Yeah. I know it. Me too. And

the mental decline

and then

the increase of

SSRI prescriptions

because of the food supply. Is it see, now I have to question everything.

We live in a simulation.

We're going back to the 10 hat episode. Is that what we're doing? Hell, yeah. Okay. Well, let's let's bring it back to today's episode. And

you said

the mental health crisis and all the things you just mentioned.

I honestly

I honestly wanna hit on the moral crisis that is happening in the country right now. Yeah.

Related to,

have you heard this headline? I think

I may have mentioned it to you before, but

there is a headline

on a website

called the

International Consortium of Investigative Journalists.

Okay.

Sounds intense. Right?

The headline is sex trafficking survivors are increasingly

suing to hold hotel chains liable for abuse on their properties,

new investigation fines.

And they go on to list that,

an investigation by The New Yorker and Berkeley Journalism's

investigative reporting program found

that there is a new legal strategy

in seeking to help survive survivors

of sex trafficking

to hold hotel corporations

legally accountable for crimes committed on their premises.

Now

long, long time ago,

I used to work at a hotel. Right. I'm trying to figure out how I feel about this, to be honest with you, and I don't know that I've settled

on one side of the fence or the other.

Sex trafficking is a huge problem in this this country. A 100%.

It is

a

sad,

scary, disgusting,

moral drop that has happened. I'm sure it's been around for longer than we know, but with media,

you see it now. It's more present. They're making movies about this kind of thing, the Yeah. A Sound of Freedom. Yeah. But I I feel like it's not talked about enough in the media. I agree. You have independent studios like Angel Studios coming out or Angel Productions, whatever it's called, coming out and making a film,

and it's like

this no name

studio.

I agree.

And you also have

media

coverage that is very,

what do I call them, grassroots? Right? Who the heck is ICIJET?

Yeah. I know. Who the heck is

the New Yorker and Berkeley Journal? I mean, no. I know who Berkeley is. But Oh, you know the New Yorker too. Right. But, I mean, like, these aren't mainstream media, though. Exactly. Have all these little

we'll call them grassroots for a lack of a better term at this very moment. But picking up these stories, but none of the higher

up media streams are. Yeah. It seems like the the media that is on the the screens,

the TV,

aren't

covering this,

and that's messed up. Right.

So

it is obviously a moral issue. It is a

human crisis that is happening in the country. It's disgusting. It needs to stop.

But

Well, we lived in a place that it was one of the hot spots in the US for human trafficking, and that was what was it Tysons Corner. Right? Was it Tysons Corner or was it, Woodbridge? But I thought it was Tysons. I thought I thought that's where a lot of it, like, women would get snatched up

at Tysons Corner in that area. I could be wrong. That Potomac Mall was, like, one of the top five places, but We're gonna do an on the fly fat check. You do that while I continue.

So, again, the article of the story relates to sex traffickers

go not traffickers. Sorry.

Relates to those who are sex trafficking survivors going after hotel chains

as essentially

being

coconspirators

for aiding and abetting. That's the term that they're using. And, again, I used to work at a hotel, and I just wanna share this story. So

while I was working there, we actually had a list, and it was

a do not sell list. And it was a bunch of names. They were obviously fake. Like, it was Right. Rainbow Star Tomorrowland or whatever first and last name combination they were using. It was do not sell list. So anytime anybody came in with an identification that had that name, we weren't allowed

to give them a room. Who the fuck would have a name Rainbow Star on their ID?

It's a fake

ID.

But, yes, they would. They would show you an ID, and it obviously would not be their real name. It would be some crazy combination like that.

And we had a do not sell list to those individuals.

Mhmm. And it was very obvious what they were doing. Right? They

were sex workers.

They

would invite people to their rooms,

and it would be a revolving door, or they would just trash the room. They would leave

condoms

Yeah. Drugs, whatever.

So

we weren't allowed to sell rooms to them. Understood.

Understandable.

Right.

So to me,

the hotel that I was working at at the time

at least had a process,

but I was never once trained on what to identify. I was told don't sell it to these people. I was not told to identify situations that I should be aware of and possibly call authorities to help support. Right.

So, again, I haven't landed on one side or the other with this. So I kinda wanna talk this out with you for a second.

So they're suing the hotels for aiding and abetting.

So to one extent, it's

these survivors are saying, you should have helped me. Right? They're telling the hotels,

like, you should have done something.

There were obvious signs. And kinda like what I said, right, that they trash the room. They leave condoms. They

have crazy names. They

have a revolving door of people coming in and out. Like, there are signs. Right? Okay. But,

again, I was never trained to identify that this was sex trafficking.

I was told that they were sex workers, and we couldn't sell rooms to them. But Right. The bigger picture

could have been that they were being forced to do this.

Okay.

So

is it right for them

to say, you, hotel chain, you sold me a room, or you sold

whoever is holding me,

trafficking me a room, and you should be held liable for that. I don't know how how, like, how do you tell? I don't know. I've never

seen or met someone that was

trafficked,

and I don't know how how can a hotel a front desk person who's most likely

very young in their early

twenties Yep. Or earlier, 18 or whatever to 20 years old. How do I was 19. How would they

be trained to to identify that? And then do you

I don't know. I don't know.

And then and then the other thing though is, like, what

what is there an issue of discrimination

that could happen

if you say no? I think Or profiling. That's what I'm saying. Mhmm. If you say no, I think you might be

sex trafficked, so I'm not gonna let you in.

That's gonna open up a huge can of worms.

Well, they said that, especially

and this really kills me that I'm reading this, but

with children,

specifically.

Yes.

That individuals who rent a room and have children with them, if the children are being sex trafficked, they're not making eye contact. Their eyes are on the floor.

They won't answer a question.

The adult that is with them is answering for them.

They don't know their own name

because they don't know what to say. Like, there's signs. Right? So there is training, it sounds like, that could be done

in a hotel to identify

red flags. Okay. Yeah. Then then do that. Whatever steps are taken thereafter, I I don't know what that looks like. Right? Because I never received the training. But

is it right

to hold hotels responsible,

or

are they seeking justice where they can find it? You know? Like, I I don't know. Deserve justice. A 100%.

They they deserve it. But

should they get it from the hotel? I'm

I'm struggling with this one. I don't know because I don't know how

you can filter all that out. The the criminal

is the one doing the

The crime. The crime, and they should be held accountable.

If obviously, it's different if,

I don't know, one of the hotel chains knew about it and was truly aiding them. Right. And that's totally different if, like,

a manager of hotel x said, alright.

This can be your staging ground or whatever the fuck.

Then alright, then you are fucking going to prison

and you owe all these people that filtered through your hotel room.

I don't

you can't take back what happened

specifically calls out that

it's a lot of

franchise hotels that the survivors are suing.

And, again, I'm thinking in the back of my head, why don't why aren't you going after corporate?

Oh, they might not be able to. I don't know. I don't know how all this works. I don't even really understand how a hotel franchise works.

Well, it's like a Chick Fil A franchise. You think? Yeah.

So

Hotel X can be owned by

mom and pop Mhmm. But it has

that brand name on it that's They are paying to use the brand name. Right. I don't know. I've I don't know. Because I worked at a corporate

facility,

and

everyone there was hired by corporate

versus a franchise, someone is paying to use the name and brand their place, and they hire all the people who work there. Now they're supposed to follow all the protocols and things

of the corporate company. Well, then there's probably

the corporate companies

get out of jail free card.

True. If they if they say, look, we have nothing to do. Obviously, they're using our name. It's a franchise.

We gave them policy book

whatever

this 500 page manual of policies and procedures that they have to follow.

It's up to them.

Now,

they might be able to get busted for maybe not

checking in, like testing their general managers over there and things like that, like saying,

hey. You know, this is yearly a yearly quiz that you're gonna have to take to make sure that you are following the rules and then maybe send, like, a secret shopper in there. You know? Right.

No. We we got secret shopped, and we were corporate. Yeah. Well well, then but that's that's what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to keep people on their toes constantly because

if you don't, they're always they're they're gonna do whatever the hell they want, and you don't want that image for your brand. For sure.

I if there's anybody out there

who currently works at a hotel

and has some sort of policy

on what to do in this sort of situation, let us know. Unholyunion

cast. Cast@gmail.com.

Yeah. And so, I mean,

if there are these weird signs and you get weird vibes from somebody bringing someone in,

why what's the big deal about calling the cops and just having them get questioned?

No. There was a situation where an individual with that name showed me their ID,

And what I did was I asked them to wait there and said I would be right back.

And I went back and got my manager Mhmm. And had them address the situation.

I was not going to confront this person. Yeah. You shouldn't.

You the the front desk person, you're not you don't know how this person's gonna act. Exactly. If they're caught, you know. Again, I'm 19.

Exactly. And my manager was a

grown man. Well, he shouldn't deal with it either. They should immediately call if it's something that is

questionable like that

Well, again, it was just a do not sell list because they had previously trashed the room and or

abused

having people coming in and out all the time. Like, there was a reason

that post their 1st stay. Yeah. I don't know. So for us, it was never a training. So I'm curious if there's any training out there for these hotels

and

whether or not anyone else really feels that the hotel chain should be held responsible.

These people deserve justice. A 100%. Point blank.

I don't know how you get it, though. I don't know how you prove that the hotel was an essentially an accomplice in

in aiding traffickers.

Right. I don't know. Unless I mean, of course, there prob there could be some out there that are

actively doing that.

Right. But and obviously drop the fucking hammer on them fools,

but

I don't know. I don't I

sex trafficking is a problem,

and it's strange to me that it's a problem. And it's also strange to me that

it is a problem that

has very little recognition.

Yep. In this country.

It's messed up. And I think one of the reasons why this really hasn't hit mainstream media yet, this this exact

thing that is happening where survivors are going after these hotels

is because, 1, it hasn't hit corporate yet.

It's all these franchise hotels.

And 2 is because they are settling.

They aren't going to trial.

So once these either

hit corporate

and or go to trial for, like, a class action

Yeah. I think then we'll see it a lot more in the media. I don't know.

Don't get me started on this conspiracy shit, but we Keep the tinfoil hat in the pantry. Epstein Island stuff,

We know all that happened.

What's her name? What was the lady's name that just went to prison? Not just went to prison, but a while back. Oh, I can see her face, but I cannot think of the lady's name. Yeah. I don't I can't Yvonne?

No. I don't I don't know. But she's in jail right now. Where are you on the fact check here? I can't I can't type on this keyboard. It's too damn loud.

But,

yeah. She it it's all proven. She was his essentially

groomer

for sex trafficking. And that's

we know this. Yep. This is proven. She's in prison for this. He went to prison

Yep. And

supposedly killed himself.

Supposedly.

Supposedly.

But

it's strange how

you have these super high profile people, and

I barely saw news footage of this stuff. Mhmm. It's like a the sex trafficking thing is it's almost like swept under the rug.

Mhmm. And I fucking hate that. I, a 100% agree. That feels to me

like it should be a third world country problem.

Absolutely.

This should not happen

in the United States of America. Any any country that has

been industrialized

and has society

that is

advanced. Yep. It should not it shouldn't happen. Yep. I can't and the fact that it is,

to me, it shows that

we're not doing something, and I think it we're not doing something

to help it because

it's not well known enough.

Mhmm. I think most people

are blind to it because it's not

covered Right.

By the mainstream media,

and that is messed up. And that is more tinfoil stuff to me because,

supposedly, the list going to that Epstein Island was very high profile individuals.

Yep. Like,

rich,

billionaire people

that would take multiple trips to this island.

I swear this list was out there. It was, and I think it still is. You can find it somewhere. But the fact me The fact that no one knows who was on it, though, how? I swear this list was put out. I think it was. I like I said,

it sounds to me like it's being brushed under the rug.

Now I am tinfoiling right now, but

why? Why is it so

such a taboo thing for the mainstream media to talk about that is a

it's a freaking epidemic.

Yep. And in words of Oliver Anthony,

they don't think you know,

but I know that you do. Yeah.

It's crazy.

I hate

it. It

seriously, the mainstream media has turned into propaganda machines, and they they're filling your head with these messages and creating distractions.

And

creating

Distractions.

Distractions

and they're making you dumb.

A 100%. They are making you an idiot

by feeding you this

trivial

crap.

To me, they are distracting us from what's really going on. A 100%. And what's really going on?

Sex trafficking. I think so. I think it's a lot worse than

people know because of what they are feeding you on the TV.

Well, I was trying to segue to Oliver Anthony.

Well, I'm just agitated because this that it really does make me mad.

I agree. Because you're you're supposed

free

press is one of the staples of the United States. 1st amendment. Yeah. Exactly.

And

the fact that it's not really being used

in a proper way is very

agitating. It's being controlled. Yeah. And how does that make sense? Free press

and yet

they're all essentially feeding you the same messages

while not covering real issues like sex trafficking. Yep.

And I think Oliver Anthony

says it the best.

And anyone who has not listened to this song yet,

Oliver Anthony,

Richmond, north of Richmond,

Go listen to it right now. Come back and come back to the podcast,

and let's talk about it because

this song is so

profound right now. Yeah. There's a reason why it is resonating with this country. It is number 1

on everything right now. And he not he is not signed with a record deal. Nope. He is not represented by anyone. He is himself.

They have been trying to throw 1,000,000 of dollars at this man. He said no. And he's not taking it. He is putting out his own music. And again, it is

resonating

with,

honestly, the world right now. Yeah. The the essentially, the middle class, you know, the the people that are down in the weeds and in the trenches working and

essentially

Getting fucked.

Being

stuck

and not moving forward in life even though they're grinding for 12 hours a day,

60 hours a week, whatever it is. It is an international

song

of what is happening in the world right now. And it, to me,

not just as acoustic sound, which I absolutely love. I mean, it's so Yellowstone. Right?

It's got that Yellowstone

sound to it,

but it's against

what the government is doing right now. Right. And it's so

interesting to me

that the only people who are bashing this song

is the mainstream media. Right. I cannot find

a single

and go ahead and at me and send it to me because I wanna see it.

A single negative review of this song. I know. I can't find it. What's funny though is he came out, I think it was yesterday or the day before,

By the time this podcast comes out, it's not it's gonna be way off timeline,

but he came out a couple days ago. So they played this at the Republican,

debate. Right? And we'll get to that in a minute. Yep. Right. But he responded

and said, look.

This isn't just a Joe Biden song. Mhmm. This isn't and, yeah, he is part of the issue. Yep. But

it's all of y'all. Mhmm. And he's a 100%

right. They are all

they're

they are all

fucked up.

You can say it. Yeah. I know. But I'm just agitated.

They are all

not doing anything to help us.

Mhmm. The government is too big. Yep. They have their hands in too many pots. Yep.

They're spinning too many plates. They shouldn't be involved in

anything

except the military

and the justice system.

Right. And that is it.

Everything else, it needs to go to the states.

And the people should vote. And the people should vote

like, you're like, man, this I don't I don't really resonate with this group of people that are

that I live with now.

Move. Yep. You have 50 fucking choices. Mhmm. You know what I mean? I have 51 if you can include Puerto Rico. That's true. But I'm just saying, it that's what it's supposed to be. Now everything has been consolidated into the federal government. Right. And they are running Department of Education. They can hold funding

for state education programs and the states can't run it

without because they

they just can't. They don't have enough funds. Yep. But if you took away

all these taxes that are going up to feds

and you do you say, alright, residents of Virginia or Florida, you pay instead of paying the federal government, you're gonna pay Florida. Mhmm. And then we're gonna do our own

educational programs. Right. And if you if you don't like our educational programs, we're gonna give you school choice

too so you can do whatever you want. Mhmm. That's freedom.

Yep.

But to me, the idea that the media

is bashing

Oliver Anthony,

calling it alt right It's nice. It

what do they call it? Neo Nazism.

And it's like,

what the fuck are you talking about? It has nothing to do with

and that's what's scary. Yep. Because it's cult. Throw that around, that furries around. Yeah. Do you know what that

neo Nazism

actually did? It killed millions of people. Uh-huh. And let's not just toss that around because a guy is critical of the government. Right. This guy

is

a blue collar worker. He was a factory worker.

Had a head injury. He had a head injury,

blah blah blah. He got majorly depressed because he felt like he was running on a treadmill that was never gonna stop,

and

he could never get ahead because

taxes are going up, inflation's going up, everything costs more, yet his pay staying the same. He's gotta work more hours. So he got majorly depressed. He got anxiety. He got depression. So he wrote a song.

Yep. And you're you're

saying he's alt right?

Mhmm. The song

mentions

no one

except North.

Or rich men of North Richmond.

North of Richmond. There you go.

So that's DC.

Yep. That's where the federal government's headquarters is, man. Mhmm.

They're all up there. He's not singling out a a party.

Well, and they

Oliver Anthony also mentions that he wishes politicians

cared

more for minors,

not just minors on an island somewhere. I know. If you don't catch that in that song, you miss the whole first half of the podcast then. Yeah. Exactly. That is Epstein Island. Right. That is talking about

all the minors that these people sex traffic, not that politicians do that. Maybe they do.

We might find out one day, but I know.

It's terrifying, but

they their

song

is about what is happening today. Yes. And it's resonating with people. And they're and they're they're being cult

leaders essentially by radicalizing

their base, whoever watches that crap. Mhmm.

They're radicalizing

them

by saying

things like But the people are buying it, though. Some people do.

There are radical people. Send it to me because I have not seen it. Well, but I wish somebody would send it to me. Well, but it it doesn't matter. So if you are targeted, like, we we might get targeted because of this podcast because we're agreeing with what he wrote in the song. So we're now considered alt right. That's BS.

But when you call somebody a Nazi

Mhmm.

Like Oliver Anthony, you

are essentially

giving permission for violence. Yep.

Because you are saying

this guy

hates all of you

or whatever,

but

we know what the Nazis did, and it wasn't good. Mhmm. We have history lessons on this shit. They killed millions of people. They are inciting fear.

Yeah. But but with And fear leads to violence. Yeah. But you you are essentially

okaying and saying things like,

this guy's a Nazi.

So

Yeah. You know? It's like, we'll look over here because that guy's a Nazi. It's like, no. This song has nothing to do with that. It's not racist.

He's not singling out a political party. Nope. He fucking hates all of them.

Nope.

I mean, he said it. Mhmm.

But now but so he had to release another statement after he really released the statement

about,

I'm not just talking about

Joe Biden and the Democrats. I'm talking about all of you. Mhmm.

He had to release another statement because the media twisted it and said,

oh, he hates Republicans

because

he said he because they played it at the GOP. The, yeah, the GOP, the presidential debate, So he hates you all. And he came out and said, no. No. No. No. No. That's not what I said.

He he had a Just keep giving him a platform. Let's go. He he had to release another statement. He said, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you all are shit. Uh-huh.

Including the main stream media. None of you have our best interests at heart. Right. You are all

backed by

whatever lobbyist and donors and all this stuff. None of you have our backs. Mhmm. You're after money. Period. Point blank. That's it. While thinking of the

I got animated as shit too. I should've recorded this on video because my hands are flying all over the place.

It's a good one.

But we are in our jammies.

So the GOP debates.

Yeah. Let's talk about that, shall we?

I wrote down the names.

Oh goodness. Yeah. Of all the people who were on stage.

Well, I wrote down all the names of the

Republican

not primary nominees

Okay. Currently.

So all of these are except

the big one we're on stage?

Yes. Okay.

So

Mike Pence, duh.

Vivek

Ram I'm gonna drop it again. Swami, I think is I'm a get Stop it. Vivek, Ramas Ramaswami.

I got it. Okay.

Chris Christie,

Nikki Haley,

Ron DeSantis,

Tim Scott,

and Doug Berg Bergam. Oh, and

Asa Hutchinson.

What'd you call me?

I tried so hard.

And then, of course, the one who was not on stage because he turned himself in to Fulton County Prison,

Donald Trump. Yes.

The individuals who were on stage,

we, as in Russ and I, watched the

GOP

debates.

And can we can we not call it debate anymore? Like, it's really not. It's more of

a Shit show? Yeah. Talk shit about each other on stage. And this is what bugs me the most about Trump not being on stage is he was obviously a focal point because he is still The front runner. The front runner of everything. He's got a stronghold of GOP base,

and they're all talking shit about him. Especially Nikki Haley. Yes. They they all they're all complete

shit talking this guy, and he's not even present to defend himself. Right. Now whether or not you like Donald Trump, I don't give a shit, but the guy should be able to defend himself on that same stage. Yep. So they should have moved that debate

until he was able to be present because they all got their licks in, and he had zero way to respond. You don't think that was on purpose? A 100%.

It was on purpose, but that's my point. It's fucking bullshit.

Yep. I agree.

So they start off

by talking about a bunch of things, and I I just took a couple of highlight notes here.

I think the big takeaway for me

was I had no idea who Vivek was. I like him. Holy shit. He was good. Yeah. He was. He was very well spoken. The dude was a savage.

Yeah.

Like, I was impressed. I was not expecting to like anyone on that stage other than Ron DeSantis. Yeah. And we the reason why we like Ron DeSantis is because we have experience with Ron DeSantis.

We're doing well in Florida.

Yeah. We like Florida.

So

the thing though that really got me, and I I'm just gonna hit this right off the bat. I was gonna save it for last, but

so Vivek and Mike Pence were going at it, like, nonstop. Yeah. They were constantly

at each other.

But one thing that Mike Pence said is that the

American

what did he say? He said the

American dream, the American way is going strong, and it's

we're just we're good. The American people are good. Yeah. He was essentially saying that everybody yeah. We're good right now. Yeah. America's fine. What? Some fucking Oliver Anthony song doesn't say so,

and that's resonating. And Vivek called him out on it. And he should've. And said,

no. We're not.

I couldn't have. This is not another Good Morning America day. That was a jaw dropping moment for me because I'm like, this guy is so out of touch. Exactly.

And you wanna be president? Right. Exactly. You just showed your ass on

stage. And he I'm glad that Vivek was there because nobody else called him out. No. Trump would've

if he was on stage,

but

Vivek called his ass out. And he's a he's a political outsider kinda like how Trump was in, what was it, 2016 or whatever? Right. Yeah. He was he's a political outsider. He's an entrepreneur. He's a I think he's a billionaire

business mogul guy. Yep. Smart dude. Yep. All that. Yep. And

another thing that Vivek said was

about the mental health epidemic. Yeah. He actually called this out Yes. On stage,

and no one else has in my

recollection

and knowledge on any debate,

no one has ever said that phrase. He said ever since we've closed down a lot of these mental health facilities, that crime has

launched to the moon. Exactly. Yep. You mentioned that. It's a mental health epidemic. We keep prescribing SSRIs.

Yes. Instead of rooting the problem out with these facilities

Yep. And trying to help

fix and send people to therapy and stuff like that. We're just pumping them full of drugs

and putting them back on the street. Yep.

So

he really

hit a lot of points with me. Yeah. Me too. Me too. I was impressed. I was too. The Republican Party has always been very,

like We're the we're the high and mighty party. Right? They were never the ones to

really attack issues. They were always

polite

and like, oh, I'm gonna do this. It's like, no. You need to speak the truth now. Yep. I'm not saying that you need to go

knives out at each other's throats, but

when Mike Pence comes out and says,

Another great day. Oh, you're good. The sun is shining.

And then he calls him out. No. That needs to happen because, no, it's not good. Yep. Inflation is out of fucking control. Interest rates are going up. People can't buy a house. I'm glad that we're in the position that we're in to where we were able to afford a house. But if we were 10 years younger,

we would be

screwed. Yep. We'd be living with mommy and daddy.

Exactly.

And Pence was very cringe.

Like, I can't stand him. It was horrible.

Like, at no point did I ever think, yeah. That was good No. Me neither. When he spoke. Like,

ugh. He's very he's very

fake to me.

And if or when

I'm not sure which. Just we'll see what happens. But if or when he gets called to the stand in all this Trump case

stuff that's happening Yep. I guarantee you he will drop out of this race. There's not gonna be a chance for him to redeem himself when he is on that stand. He's not gonna be able to redeem himself now. He's too

I don't know. He's, like, robotic.

Yeah. Icky. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He makes you feel like your skin crawl. Like, one of them real, real

slimy used car salesman. You know what I mean? Yes. Not a fan.

Not a fan.

Then

Hailey,

Nikki Hailey,

she had some good moments. She did, but she's also cringe to me too. Like,

it's okay. So

every time somebody has a zinger,

I'm like,

oh my god.

You this is all scripted.

It is such

crap. Prepared. Yes. That's what I mean. It's not even, like When Vivek said it, he was like, everybody get your slogans out now. Yeah. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. He was calling him out for what it was and

but, like, she kept saying she would say things, and I'm like, okay. They told you to say that behind the scenes. It's like, how about y'all come out there and stop with the

with the fucking,

like, rehearsal dinners and shit for your

debate and you just be real? Mhmm. And that's how I felt with Vivek.

Mhmm. He was coming out there and he was He was using a couple of big words, and I was like, oh, you used a thesaurus before you came out then.

He's a, well, he's a smart guy, dude. I know. He's a biotechnical

I think that's what one of his, one of his first companies was. It was some kind of bio company? Biotechnical

Rio

Royvant

Sciences, a biotechnology

firm. Oh. Before founding this is kinda funny. He found,

Strive Asset Management, and it's an investment management firm that specializes in anti woke asset management.

He he refuses to consider environmental and social corporate government or ESG factors when investing.

That shit made me laugh, though. Something about him. I'm I'm

I'm watching him right now. But speaking of climate change, they did talk about that. Yeah. And they asked people to raise their hand on stage

if they believe that human contribution

is making an impact on climate change. Right.

A few people took a long time to raise their hand. I can't remember. I wish I would have wrote it down for you guys. You didn't. You didn't write it down? Alright. I can't I can't remember either.

It was not him. It's my boy. Yeah. No. He's he is all about

energy independence

and releasing the United States energy kraken,

essentially. He wants us to be

the leader of the world in energy

generation,

energy

creation, all that. Whatever it is, if it's energy, we need to be on our own course. Yep. Like, there's ways to burn coal that is clean and

everything you use

is made out of fossil fuels.

If you use that you use quotes. Yeah. I I used hand quotes, but,

like, the the wind turbines, they're all made out of fossil fuel. I think it's, like, a 90 something percentage of

materials that are that go into a wind turbine are fossil fuels.

90% of material that goes into anything. I know. Plastic. Is a fossil fuel. Plastic is

fossil fuels. Uh-huh.

I but he's he

I don't see and that that's the thing too is I don't think he's anti,

like, green energy either. Mhmm. But he doesn't want you to say,

no. You can't

burn a gas. You can't have a gas car. You have to have an electric car.

So that was time to change.

But, oh, for Nikki Haley, one of her quotes was actually quoting Thatcher.

Yeah. I heard that. And this, I mean, it was a good quote, a good zinger. It's a good quote by Thatcher.

Right.

She's really playing up

her womanism.

Womanness?

Her sin well, I don't wanna say feminism.

Well, I mean, I I I

don't The fact that she is a woman. Right. And that's okay. She should be proud of that. Not. It you we know you're a woman. It is quite obvious. You tell me how being a woman impacts your

decisions or your thinking. That's fine. Right. But to say,

you send a woman to do a man's job, essentially, it's like,

ew. Like, okay. How? How are you gonna do this better? Tell me that, and I don't care. It's like I said, it's these

prerecorded

zingers that they had to throw in there. Right. I will say I can't remember who said it to Vivek,

but he said, this dude sounds like chat GPT.

I fucking laughed. I think it was Chris Christie.

I laughed

so fucking hard. He said this dude sounds like Chad G. Pete.

So Chris Christie was a weird one, though. Like I don't like that dude at all. Audience

hated him and loved him, like, at any given moment. I'd like to know who's actually in said audience.

Right. It was weird. Yeah. I know. Because Chris Christie It almost feels like they should be audience less. Well, he was

he he was dogging Trump too, which, like I said, I think Trump's name should have been in no one's mouth. Mhmm. Since he's not there to defend himself.

I think that's wrong

because

like it or not, his chances of being the nominee are pretty fucking high. He kept saying

all this stuff

about Trump saying that he he was questioning the election and things like that, like he was breaking the law and all this. But They don't like each other. They never have. Yes. They have. Chris Christie was kissing Trump's ass during his administration. I thought they were going back and forth No. Calling at Walmart. No.

Oh, okay. I'm pretty sure

Chris Christie was

considered for some kinda cabinet appointment at one point during Trump's presidency.

But Maybe I'm thinking somebody else. But but he turned the he he flip flopped.

That, I'm pretty sure yeah. Nikki Haley is the same way. She was the ambassador to the UN or something like that in Trump's administration. I'm like, this fucking motherfucker hired your ass.

Ah, yes. She was the ambassador. I don't know what it was for. I think it was UN, the ambassador to the UN, I think.

Don't quote me on that, but she she was something in Trump's administration, and

and Christie was considered, I believe.

But, anyway,

he was dogging the hell out of him

for all this

gray area things. Whatever. We don't know if Trump did it or what we'll find out in court. Right. You know, that's what we're that's the next step.

We have to presume he's innocent because they haven't determined the verdict.

That's what the country's built on. Yes. A 100%. Well,

Christy,

I'm like, dude, you're

this pot calling the kettle black, man. You're you're fucking you did that Bridgegate shit when you were the governor of Jersey.

Mhmm. You know what I mean? Like,

okay. Maybe you weren't convicted on anything, but it's like, dude, you you don't act like you are mister high and mighty now. It cracks me up how he's always on the stage though. For,

what, the past 3 or 4 primaries,

he has been on that stage.

He I Why? He he's he's another slimy dude to me. He's very

like, there's a

everybody go Google this shit. It makes me laugh every time I see it, but there's

a picture of Chris Christie pouring a small bag of M and M's into a big bag of M and M's. I'm like,

yeah, brah.

I'm like, what are you doing? And then one thing that he did though, Chris Christie on stage, that I don't think

he really thought about before he said it

was Vivek made a comment that he

what was it? That he was the strange one on stage or something like Vivek was? The strange one? Vivek made a comment that he was that he, as in Vivek himself,

was

not what you were expecting to see on stage, essentially alluding to his race and background. Okay. And Chris Christie was like, that's what Obama said. Like, you're comparing yourself to Obama. And I'm like,

gee, who am I talking? Just did?

Like, for the people who liked Obama on the Democrat side, you just

alluded to comparisons.

Could you be swinging people over to him? Like, I don't think you thought that through. No. He it it was a super weird thing to say because he he was just he was essentially saying, like,

I am change,

which Obama said that, but

it's kinda true. I mean, he's I think he I think he's has he's from India or not he's not from India. His parents are His parents are from India. He's 1st generation American. Yes.

Born in Chicago or something like that. Mhmm. But

I'm like, yeah.

He he truly is a change out there for the Republican party. Absolutely.

I mean, what So right. You're you're making these comparisons that I don't think you realize the impact to what you just said. Like, it wasn't a negative comment. Well, and and and that and but my whole thing too is it's like, why are you doing that

instead of tackling

current issues? Obama

was president.

He's not now. Right. Get over it.

Yep. You know what I mean? Like, it's over. That's fucking has been shit.

Yep. We're talking about

issues

right now, and that's why the bloodbath that happened was a bunch of shit too.

Mhmm.

Instead of,

you know,

tackling issues, they were, like, jumping at each other's throats. Now, sometimes that's necessary because

They say stupid shit. They say stupid shit. Like it's a good morning in America. Exactly. See,

that right there, he deserved to get called out on. A 100%.

You are out of touch. You were in government,

and you are acting like it's fine. But calling somebody

a bomb? Yeah. I know. Or chat g p t. Although, I did laugh of the chat b chat g p t thing. But did it gain any points? No. It just makes you all look like you're bickering. Makes you look like children. Yeah. So congratulations.

But Ron DeSantis was on stage. Yes. He was. Held it down, my man.

The I think they didn't give him as much

voice time as I thought they should have. Mike Pence had the most voice time on that stage. You can tell

generally where they're trying to sway people. You know what I mean? They're Well, what points they're trying to talk about. That's what I'm saying. They're trying to but

we talked about this just a second ago. They're trying to to groom

you into,

oh, Mike Pence. He sounded so nice.

Because a lot of people will fall for it. Right. If we give him the most talk time, he's

maybe people will like him better. Let us know, dude. Don't give him talk time. He's a fucking robot that needs a software update because he sounds scripted as shit

and snakey.

Cringey.

Yes.

I'm not a fan of that dude. Not at all. But DeSantis, he had a couple of good moments, though. He did. And specific to

the COVID shutdown. Yes. That is huge. Yes. And the fact that he went on that stage and told all of the American people,

I will never allow that to happen to you, I think was huge. Yeah. It had to have won him some votes at that point. We

left Virginia for Florida because of those types of policies. Exactly.

And

they worked, and they it's fine. Like, the the media once again, the media was saying Florida has the worst cases.

It's like there's first off, there's lots of old people here. You gotta give people the choice Yep. Of doing what they want. It depends on their risk tolerance and how they feel about taking risks. Yep. If you wanna go out,

bye. And what you just said a few seconds ago was

bring it back to the states where the people to decide. Exactly. If you don't like it, move. Exactly. You have 50 choices. Yep.

51, Puerto Rico. Well and or

you can

worldwide search. You know? You have more than 50. But

I don't know. It the the the COVID lockdown stuff was

awful,

obviously. We're still fighting this this crap. Mhmm. We're going through it now. The all the

inflation,

that's from them passing out money like it was candy.

Mhmm. And then

the mask mandates, all that stuff did was divide people. You can't force people to do something they don't wanna do. But it's a good morning in America Yeah. I know. Suspense. Yeah. Right. And he's acting like nothing's happening. We haven't we haven't been more divided

as we are now since probably the civil war.

I would say up until a few weeks ago when Oliver Anthony put out that song because Yeah. We all love each other now. I can agree on that song. Yes. I tell you what, except for the media.

Send it to me. I dare you. Yeah. Find it. Send it to me. I I I would I would truly like to to hear the other side if somebody would say that I've tried to find out. Me too. Send it to me. Other than the media, I don't care what the media says. I want people. And just to kinda this is a little off base, but what Twitter or x is doing

with

news stories and stories that are published on there. It's called community notes,

and it's essentially crowdsourced

fact checking.

It's not fact checked by one org. Right. It's fact checked by everybody

that has knowledge

of

said topic. Good. So if somebody says,

oh,

the sky is blue

or somebody says the sky is red, and then a scientist comes on there, says, no. It's not as blue. Here's proof.

And then another scientist comes on there and essentially

agrees with the blue guy. Mhmm.

All that

stuff then goes into a post that's right underneath that post

and it says community notes,

this has been proven false by blah blah blah blah and then they'll link to an article or articles that state why it's been proven false.

So the idea is

there's a story out there. You get all sides, and you make your own fucking decision. It's 100%. That's it.

We are feisty tonight. I know.

But you know what was funny too, though? That that made me laugh about the community notes thing is

there's a lot of ads on Twitter. Obviously, they gotta pay the bills, but

some of the ads are for games,

like mobile games,

and they're clearly

false advertisement.

Like, the gameplay that they show on the video.

And then People hate that shit. Well, I know. But in on Twitter, it calls it out because of community notes. They said, this is false advertiser.

None of the gameplay in the fucking game looks like this shit.

And I'm laughing so hard. I'm like, well, damn. Twitter,

you're probably gonna lose that advertiser.

They're mad now. What if there's a Reddit for that kinda thing to say, like, false advertisement for gameplay? Oh, I'm sure there is. Hilarious. I I just liked I like that idea, though, because you're not just taking it from

a CNN or an MSNBC

or a Fox News. Yeah. You're you're actually

you're all auditing

everything

Yep. Together.

Yep. So if you know something about a topic

that Oliver Anthony

is alright,

finger quotes,

Give us community notes. Yeah. If you know that that's not true, then you go on there and you prove that it's not true. Yep. It's very cool. I like that idea. I thought that was one of the good changes of Twitter.

One of the negative changes of Twitter though is

I think they're removing blocking

from the platform. Like, you can't block people, and I thought that was kinda fucked up. That's interesting.

Yeah. Because that I can see

weird harassment type shit popping up. You It was gonna be something else. I guarantee. They're gonna just leave it. There is,

but I think the point of blocking is to not allow

people to read your stuff. Like, I blocked you.

You can't even read what I'm writing because you're a stalker or something. You know what I mean? Like, there there needs to be something like that in there. I'm sure there will be.

But as far as the GOP debates go,

I think,

overall,

I learned

a lot about Vivek

and feel strongly about him. I wanna keep an eye on this. Yeah. Me too. I'm excited

to see him keep on the campaign trail.

Obviously, Ron DeSantis, my man. Can I can I just say something about Vic, though? The the only thing I didn't like about him was the dude's voice.

It's a little high pitched. I was like, come on, bro.

You gotta

You're penal? Yeah. It was Penal blame. I don't know. I mean, like, he's well spoken. Like Mhmm. He he's

got his shit together, but I'm like, dude, you gotta get a voice changer or something.

Spend money on that. You should engineer that. It was just really high pitch. He was like, oh.

I didn't think so, but I'm kidding. He he just I don't know. It just was

I guess he was just talking kinda fat. He he was excited, of course, because he's Well, adrenaline's pumping for sure. He was essentially

cage matching in there. So Right.

But definitely watching him, Ron DeSantis, of course.

Tim Scott wasn't as exciting as I thought he's he was gonna be.

He was very scripted too. He felt very pincey to me. He he had some good moments, but he was politician type.

I think people are very tired of politicians. No shit. You know? So somebody like Vivek, and that's why I think,

Donald Trump resonated too with people back in 2016,

was he was anti politician. Right. Like somebody running swamp. Exactly. And I think

that

movement of anti politician, it needs to

become law.

Mhmm. There needs to be term limits.

There needs to be age limits.

All this stuff needs to to happen because people get embedded in government

and the longer you're there, the easier it is for you to become some

lobbyist

pawn.

Yep.

I'll say the last person I'm looking at is Nikki Haley. And I know you're gonna roll your eyes and tiff me, but

I'm

there were some points she made that were interesting. So I can imagine that we'll lose a bunch of people by the next time we do a debate.

And I'm hoping who remains are the ones that I just said. Vivek,

Nikki,

DeSantis,

maybe Tim Scott, but I'm almost pretty sure he'll probably fall off too.

Tim Scott? Yeah. He needs more energy, I think.

I I like him.

The

he didn't have a lot of talk time because he was almost too quiet. He was too reserved.

Yep.

So we'll see what happens.

Last note about all of all of this 2024 election stuff. So Biden

is, you know, the current president, though.

He's been challenged, right, by at least 2 individuals, Kennedy

and I can't think of the other ladies. Williamson?

Williamson. Right. So he's been challenged,

but there are no current

democratic

debates on the schedule. Nope. Because

that hasn't happened for 50 years. An incumbent president

hasn't had to debate in the Democratic Party

for 50 years.

But there's still gonna be a primary. Right?

I don't think. I don't know. But, yeah, probably. But how are they gonna get their names out there to even scratch

a surface of

Well, you could do that with social media and stuff now. A lot easier than you could have 50 years ago. Yeah. But But to me, they should be doing it. If he is being challenged A 100%. They're not gonna put him on the stage with somebody like Kennedy though. Of course not. They should

just

to

people again,

Oliver Anthony,

they don't think you know, but I know that you do. Yeah. How was that democratic when the

choose? Like, if if if you're a democrat

and you don't really like the job Biden's doing That you can't vote in your or

hear the other voices of those in your party. Exactly. What if there's a better alternative

like Kennedy or Yep. Or whatever. Mary Ann Williamson or whatever her name is.

What if they're better? Right. You could you they don't have a chance

because they don't give it to them. That's messed up. I don't like that. That's bullshit. Yeah. I agree. How's that a democratic process when you guys are controlling who sees who?

Yep.

So hopefully,

possibly,

maybe

something happens at the d there is a d and c. Something happens.

Well, it would happen. I well, I don't know either. But Joe Biden falls again. I don't know.

I just would love to see Kennedy on stage and talking to the American people. I'd the and that's what they're they're they are denying him that chance because they won't allow

a debate to happen, and he's not gonna get a platform to do that. They're not gonna allow him to get up there. No. The most that he'll be able to do is social media But that doesn't campaign trail. That doesn't do a whole lot because I think most people go to social media for other reasons and not politics.

No. Well,

they they argue amongst each other for politics,

but they don't go up there to try to pick a candidate.

Okay. Maybe they don't research our candidates in social media. I see what you're saying. They go up there

to fucking

destroy each other over the candidate that the other person has already chosen. Right.

Well,

we'll see what happens.

I think that's it for tonight. That was a good one. I got mad.

I'm not gonna make a good one. It for tonight. What?

Hurricane season. Just real quick. Yeah. Here we are in Florida. We are in the Tampa Bay area,

and the first hurricane

of well, I guess, official hurricane of the season

will possibly be hitting right around the time that this podcast airs. Yeah. Monday, Tuesday time frame. Mhmm. So just so you know, so far, we're good. Yeah. It's well, they've,

they've, you know, spaghetti models are spaghetti models. It's like throwing a fucking dart

at a giant Throw spaghetti on the board. Can you stop?

That's why they call it that.

But,

they they aren't real sure what it's gonna do, but

most,

if not all models, have said

CAT 1 when it makes landfall. So Yep. Nothing major. I think they said the rain so bad. I know. 70 to 80 mile an hour wind, something like that. So it's not anything to panic over, but that is one thing. See, here's another

example

of sensationalism.

They have been saying,

you better watch out for this hurricane.

This hurricane's coming, and it's nothing to play with. Dude, I even heard that they call it a possible cat sex. I know. It's like, what?

We have a local weatherman here in the Tampa area named Dennis Phillips. Darn it. Darn it. He's awesome. So Rule number 7. Rule number 7. Yeah. He he is, like, anti sensationalism.

He's, like, look.

Don't panic. We don't know what's gonna happen. There's worst case. There's best case. It's gonna be somewhere in the middle. That's how it always works out. Mhmm.

And look what happened. It's almost best case. Right. We need the rain. The the yeah. The the worst case was cat 6 or whatever. The best

best case was tropical storm. So we're like one step above tropical storm. Yep. So Currently. We're okay. We'll keep you updated, but

Florida gets hurricanes as part of being a Floridian. Yeah. You know what's crazy too? Is I kept seeing these memes about

New Yorkers. They moved to Florida.

You weren't gonna say about the Publix cakes, hurricane cakes? No. That pisses me off. I don't I don't wanna get even more mad. But but, New Yorkers move to Florida, and then they flee back to New York when a hurricane comes. Yep. But half the time, the fucking hurricanes go up and hit New York anyway.

It's like that's following them. Uh-huh. Oh, shit. That made me laugh. And public stopped making hurricane party cakes.

Had to bring it up. Sorry. Oh my goodness. That I don't know, man. That's It's a culture thing. I know. And the fact that they're doing that is not right.

I'm not sure what the reason is. Just high demand

and get them the cake. Like Publix has released a statement saying they don't wanna make light of natural disasters, but it's like.

Floridians make light of natural disasters. Right. It's part of culture here.

Hurricane parties are a real thing. Mhmm. And people will get goodbye to everything you own Yeah. Because it could be gone. Right. You go, you come together, you have a little party, and that's part of the the

being in the You rebuild.

Yeah. Then you rebuild. You you come together as a community before the storm, and you come together as a community after the storm to figure out what you gotta do. Well, and you bunker down together during it. So I mean Exactly.

And it it kinda bugs me because Publix is a is another big Florida culture thing.

Mhmm. The fact they're doing this kinda

rubs me the wrong way. It's very woke. Yeah.

Seriously, that's how I feel about that. It's very woke because they're trying not to offend people. The people that are buying the hurricane cake Aren't offended. They're not offended. Clearly, they're not offended. They want the fucking hurricane cake. They're spending money on a hurricane cake. Make them the damn cake.

So this podcast has been very heavy tonight, and I'm we're gonna end it on kind of a heavy note, but I hope we can

maybe spin a little bit of light on it. We

saw today that Bob Barker passed away. Yeah.

I'm talking, like, all the childhood memories of Bob Barker in The Price is Right. I know it. I know it. And Happy Gilmore, where he punches Adam Sandler. Get the shit out of Adam Sandler in that movie. Him rolling down the hills with him and all that stuff. Uh-huh.

There are just so many memories of Bob Barker. Like, when you're sick from school, you go home, you watch Price is Right. Like I know. That that you know, this sounds so weird,

but being sick,

you look forward to to Price is Right while you're sick. You're like, oh my god. I actually get to watch that. Price is Right, Jerry Springer. Like, there was a couple of things when you were a kid. Yeah. You got to stay home when you were sick and you watched TV. Yeah. You got to see stuff that you didn't normally get to see, and Price is Right was one of them. I used to love that shit. Me too. And Did you know,

Aaron Paul was on it?

No. Yeah. Aaron Paul was on it, I think, before he got famous from Breaking Bad. Dang.

I'll I'll pull that shit up. No. Me and one of my cousins a long time ago, we said that

when we turned 18, it was gonna be our mission to get on the Bryce's Pride show.

We never did it, unfortunately,

but,

I mean, we still could with Drew Carey, I guess, but with Bob Barker. Not the same. It's just just like Jeopardy is not not even remotely close to being the same. Yeah.

So definitely

definitely feeling that that loss, but Pat Sajak is on the way out too, I heard.

Retiring. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. He's not dying, but he

I'm surprised

he lasted this long. That dude has been on that show forever.

Yep. And that's gonna be another weird one. Yep. To fill that role. Vanna is gonna stay. I'm like,

I mean, she's beautiful. Don't get me wrong. Yeah. Even

now with her age.

That is ageism.

I didn't mean it that way. I'm just trying to say. Oh, she she looks good. I mean, that's what happens when you have that Hollywood money, man. I guess.

But, you know, if you're gonna replace Pat, then you have to

just replace everything because it's just gonna be weird. It's gonna be weird.

But with Bob

oh, I saw a meme that said,

Bob made it as close to 100 as possible without going over. Oh. I was like, yeah. That's pretty funny. That's a good one.

99¢.

$99.99.

Damn. That was a good one. I like it. So alright, peepa barker. But

on that extremely heavy note, I hope you have good memories of watching Bob too. Yep.

And

get your

dogs and cats spayed and neutered.

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