From Soccer Mom to AI Overlords: An Unholy Rollercoaster of Life and Controversy

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Where is it? I pushed it.

Oh,

this is, like, the 3rd week in a row that you that either I pushed it too early

or we just didn't

figure out we were online.

It's

becoming a thing. We're we're professional. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. We're professional. We get paid for this.

Yeah. If only. We have 50¢ in our ad account. Woo hoo. High five.

We can pay for nothing.

Well, it is fun. And

now that we're soccer parents Oh my goodness.

Soccer parents.

We're just adding more and more to the list here. I know.

It's fun. Our kiddo had her first

soccer practice and soccer game. Last week. Yep. She's kinda bounced around between a lot of things, and

one thing we've told her is that she can't quit something. We'll sign you up

if you wanna do it, but there's no

backing out after we sign you up. You have to finish

whatever a season or

a full round is Yep. Before you can stop. Exactly.

So she's done at this point. I'm gonna think of all the things. Taekwondo,

swim.

But swim was more like to teach her how to swim, not so much like competitive.

No. But it's still

an after school activity. Yeah. True. Extracurricular.

Yeah. Then she did dance. She did dance. Yep. Piano.

And now we're on to soccer. Yep. She's been into a little bit of everything.

And first game, she didn't complain. She did not complain. She looked

super tired. Right. And I was actually really proud of her. She got out there. She didn't wanna sit on the bench at all. She was like, I don't need a break, coach.

Yep. The coach rotates the kids because it's, whatever, non

travel. It's

It's one company that hosts

all these games, and all the teams are through this one company. Right. So it's not, like, real competitive, but it's

enough for us to get a taste for her to see whether or not she even likes it, and it sounds like she does. Yeah. She it definitely sounds like she does. She did well.

Little scared of the ball, though, in in action, I guess you could say. Not

Coming at her head. Yes. She she definitely we have some work to to do with her to to let her not be so afraid of of the ball. Right.

But for her first game ever,

she did really well. Mhmm. And she enjoyed the shit out of it, so I'm excited.

Yeah. Well, we've got the van. Yeah. We're soccer moms.

You're in that too? Yeah. You're a soccer mom too? Yeah. Well,

I will bring up one thing at the game. I was extremely loud.

Yeah. Out of every other parent there, I think I was probably the loudest. We're very competitive people, you and I. I know. Our kid, not so much. No. No. But we're we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna instill that in her.

I kinda like that she's not so competitive. She's more like me against me type of personality.

She doesn't really

care about what everybody else is doing. I don't know how I feel about that.

I don't want it to be

a weakness either because Well, I I think you could think of either one as a weakness if you're competitive against everybody else as well as just competitive against yourself. I don't know. I guess.

I she did well, and I'm happy. There are some things to work on. Game number 1. Yep.

And

She did great. She did awesome. But one thing that I do want to consider one day after

she goes through this soccer season is tennis.

Maybe. And there's a reason. Go ahead. Because if she

does tennis and she's good at it and she grows up and she becomes a tennis player, they get paid extremely well. Women Women. Tennis players. They get paid the same as men. Just you? Just me. Okay.

That's all that matters. I'm

Just you? Just me. Okay. That's all that matters.

That's right.

After soccer this weekend, we needed to cool off, and we ended up going to the pool. But a really

cool spot

let me back up. Oceans have been hot recently. Specifically, I'm talking about the gulf. I know the gulf is an ocean. Don't don't at me. But the water has been warm. Yeah. It's been in the nineties. So we've been looking for ways to cool off.

Our community pool is rather cool, and it's refreshing.

But one of these past weekends, we actually went to a place called Wiki Wachee. Wiki Wachee Spring.

It was awesome. It was. It was really cool. It's a state park,

but

it's set up in a way that you're like, how is this a state park? It's more like an amusement park. A water park. Yeah. It's an it's a water park with slides that are actually fed

by the spring water. Mhmm. Everything is the spring water. Yep. And this is where those, world famous mermaid shows are Yep. Which is really cool. Well, let's break it down here. Let's start with the water. Break it down.

So the water is crystal clear. Yes. It was

crazy to me. I guess from living in Virginia, seeing

rivers

or lakes, it's always kinda murky. Yeah. And even in Florida, they have those kinds. And if you're willing to swim in a lake that looks like sweet tea, get ready to throw hands with the dinosaur. Yes. Do not do it.

Don't listen and just don't throw hands with the dinosaur. Say the fuck out of

them. Right.

But in the state spring, the water was crystal clear. Crystal crystal clear.

And

not only that, it's a balmy 72 degrees.

Balmy.

So it's been super hot here in Florida.

It's Florida. But it's it we've said this multiple times that it's felt hotter this year than the past 2 years. Yep.

And, we've been kinda desperate to find something that was a cool off spot.

Our community pool has been closed for a while. Mhmm.

And the like you just said, the golf has been hot as hell. So we were like, what the heck are we supposed to do?

And, so we went to this place, and 72 degrees when it's a 110 heat index. Uh-huh. That shit is shocking.

Cold.

Like, the kids, like, their jaws, but my I'm saying kids, our daughter, and our nephews. Mhmm. Their jaws are shaking. They got jiggle chin.

But it felt so good. Yeah. It was really nice

because of the a 110 degree weather. Like, it all combined into, like,

Mhmm. Because your like, your bottom half was

in 72 degrees and your top half was 110. Yep.

But

it wasn't like you get out and you're miserable

because you're cold. It was get out and you're like, okay, cool. It's starting to evaporate and you feel you still kinda feel that chill. Yep. It felt nice. But there is another cool spot in that spring was there was a what was it? Twenty foot down or something like that

where you could jump off. Right. Right. Yeah. I think it was, like, 18 feet. Platform in the middle of this the swimming area Yes. That you could jump off of and jump into. I think it was 20 feet. Yeah. 20 feet. And

everybody was wanting to do that. It was pretty cool. They had all kinds of attractions there. Food,

alcohol Well, let's talk about the slides.

Bartenders. Well, that too. But

let's talk about the slides. So there's 2 working slides. It sounds like there used to be more,

but currently there are 2. 1 cannonball slide Yeah. And one

open air regular type slidey slide. There was that big tower that looked like it was a slide at one point. Yeah. I think those were more cannonball slides

from what I had heard, but the 2 that were working

dropped right into the swimming area. I did not do the cannonball slide, but I did the open air one.

And, again, you're standing in the heat waiting in line to go up. Then you get in that cold water.

It is shocking. And there's no choice at that point. Right.

But, again, it feels good, and

they had different height

restrictions. So our daughter and oldest nephew was able to go down, and they loved it. Yep.

Then there's also a lazy river. Now you have to pay extra money to do the lazy river and Yeah. I I wasn't a fan of all that. There were it was a little nickel and dimish.

Very true. You had to pay

for everything that you wanted to do. Yep. But the lazy river stretches stretched

around the swimming area,

and there really wasn't a current necessarily. It was a self powered lazy river. Sorry. You can't how the fuck are you supposed to be lazy in that river? It's almost like tubing except, again, you don't have much of a current. So You're not going if you okay. If in that lazy river, if you think that you're gonna sit in your tube with your legs and feet out and just relax, you're not doing that. Yeah. Because you're just saying You're not going anywhere. You're gonna stay in the same spot. Right. Unless somebody comes and kicks you or something.

It's I don't know. I didn't I thought that was gimmicky. That was. But, again, it's it's all part of the experience, your choice, but it was extra cost. So for us, we did not do that part. No. We didn't. It it didn't look like it was worth it, to be honest with you. Right. And then they had boat rides. Yes. The boat ride boat tour

through another

portion of

the springs. Yes. It was more of the

river part. Yeah. I guess you could say. Mhmm. And

it was awesome. Yep.

Water crystal clear still,

and it was very shallow. It was kinda cool, though, because you could see all the way down to the bottom, and you could see

thousands upon thousands of mullet

and, sheepshead fish and it it it was And the birds there. It was insane. One thing I didn't see was gator and I'm not the more I think about it, the less surprised I am because I think they tend to want warmer water.

Yeah. True. Yeah. So they they need they can't regulate their own body heat. So they

I don't know. 72 degrees, they probably start shivering and their teeth fall out.

All those teeth and no toothbrush. Yeah. I'm good. Said Waterboy.

That hold no teeth and no toothbrush.

Oh my god. Well, the last thing that they had there for us that we did was a mermaid show. Yes. That was the highlight, I think. I loved it. I I liked it too. It was just Again, it is kinda gimmicky. If you see it once, you're not gonna wanna go back every year? I don't know about that because I think they change the theme every year. Okay. You don't wanna go back every week. No. You can see another mermaid. No. I think, like, once a year is probably good because it's a choreographed

it's not just

people slipping a fin on and pretending like they're mermaids. It's a choreographed

play Yep. Underwater,

and it was cool. Yeah. So seeing it once a year, I definitely would not think you would wanna go once a week. No.

But seeing it once a year and, again, it's actual

people who are underwater

with fins. They have breathing tubes. So they're under there for the entire show. Yeah. It's crazy. They're not going to the surface to breathe. And they're doing flips, and it's in the spring. Yep. That's what's weird too. Another sectioned off area, and this is actually where the spring vent is, where it's actually the water from the Earth's crust or wherever it's coming out of

is coming to the surface. That's where the Earth's pissing on you. Yeah. Right.

Nice balmy 72. That is so weird, though. I can't remember how many gallons a day it that come out of that spring, but it was Oh, they said a lot. It was I think it was a couple million. Fun fact, a 117,000,000

gallons per day Hey. That come out of the earth. Now

what the heck?

Okay. So we used to long time ago, we used to work at water wastewater treatment plant. Reclamation facilities.

And one of the

plants that I worked at,

I think the highest was 54,000,000

gallons per day that they were putting out. Mhmm. That's a lot more. Yeah. That's a ton. And that's

clean spring water. Mhmm. Drinkable.

I mean, people are swimming at it. Right? Their barmaids are shitting in it.

Fair.

But

No. It's could be.

Definitely. And it but that's what

not bothers me, but what

blows my mind is

how much that's a lot of water Uh-huh. And how much

more of that can come out of the earth. I saw a story online that there is water under the Earth's crust that is bigger than all of our oceans combined.

Okay. Flat Earth. No. It's not that that's not flat Earth. That that's this is actually fact.

Scientists just discovered it. And I'm like,

okay.

So the story of Noah is there you go. The flood water. The flood water. There you go.

There's your answer of of where where did it all go? Why is that under Laura's

crust? Back on topic.

A 100 and 17,000,000

gallons. A day. A day. That's crazy.

How many bottles of water does that give the the United States per day? Mhmm. Well, if they're bottling at WikiWatch. I know. But I'm just saying that that's like

it it it's like almost an unlimited supply of water that's coming out of the ground. And that's not the only spring here. Mhmm.

It's wild.

Back to the mermaid show.

They,

put on this show and, like you were saying, it's choreographed

and it was based on Little Mermaid this time.

The the story was great. It was very interactive for the audience. The kids loved it. Oh, yeah. Absolute bubbles all over the place. There's music, so the kids loved it.

But before the show actually started, they had on the videos, like, previous shows from I guess it started back in the fifties. Yeah. And there was a video of 1 of the mermaids drinking a Coke

underwater. Yeah. And someone in the audience was like, that's not possible.

Kind of thinking

like, is it? Why wouldn't it be? She's a fucking mermaid, dude. She'd do whatever she wants.

True. Point taken.

But it just I'm like, maybe we should try this.

What are we gonna do? What? We going back to WikiWatch? You're gonna drink a soda? We'll just go in the pool and see if we can drink a Coke underwater. That's frowned upon in this establishment.

That would be a code brown.

Yes.

Somebody pooped. But they also have kayaks and canoes for rent. But our recommendation is if you do go,

go early. Go early. The line was a 1000000000 miles long. I was very nervous that we weren't gonna be able to get in. Now this place is pretty big though, so They do cap

capacity at capacity. Yes. They will not let you away. Right. So if you're waiting in line and you're there a little bit too late,

you're gonna wait in line for no reason. Right. And

just don't do that. You'll be very mad because I would have been very mad. It's not a terrible drive from Tampa, but it's a little bit of a hike. Yeah. It

if you don't get in, it's like, what do you do after that? Exactly. I didn't see much around there that was like, oh, let's go do that or whatever. Right. It was like, wicky washy is it, bruh. Uh-huh. Or you're driving an hour somewhere else. Yep.

On top of that, also bring chairs and umbrellas. They allow you to do that. They have a little beach area

that you can set up kinda like you're at the beach. Yep. But,

it's kinda small though. That's another reason why you need to get there early so you can stake your claim. Yep. Stake your claim to an area.

Last thing I'll say about that

is they do have food and drink on-site.

Yes. But don't go to the bartender that is in the middle of the park because she's an asshole. You see? She was. She was very rude. Yes. And someone actually ended up. Cussing her out Yeah. In front of everybody, and everybody's like deserves that.

No. What? She was being rude. She was being an asshole. So it was hot. It's Florida.

And

they have margarita you know, frog frogzen?

Frozen drinks. Frozen margaritas and frozen pina coladas. Right? And And daiquiris. And daiquiris.

Well, those machines, they couldn't keep up. Mhmm. And instead of just saying, hey, just so you know,

the You can get that at the inside place Yeah. Here at the outside bar. It's not gonna hurt. Good because we well, I tried to run it, blah blah blah. She was being a total tool bag

and essentially saying, you need to go over there if you wanted frozen drink. And we were like, well, we didn't even ask what we tell you what we wanted yet.

She was just being real snarky and rude for no reason, and we didn't do anything. And Yeah. And somebody finally had enough of it and said and told her off. Yep.

And I laughed

because she was A lot of people did. I know. Because she was being an asshole to everybody. But, yeah, that's another crazy thing. State parks serving alcohol. Yep.

They're making I didn't even think about that. They're making a fucking killing over there. Mhmm. And and food. They serve food too. Yeah. But alcohol is weird. That's kind of like a blurred line thing. No. I'm just saying that you're serving both, so you're making that killing. Yeah. Because you're holding people in on place.

Because if you leave, they count you as a no longer inside capacity and let somebody else in and you're stead. Right. And you can't go back in. You have to wait in line. Yep. Yep. You have to wait in line. You can go back in with your ticket. Mhmm. But you have to pray that somebody didn't slip by and take your spot. Exactly. People are waiting. The last thing I'll say about WikiWatchy, I think I said that already, but I'm gonna say it again. Last thing I'll say about WikiWatchy

is that

Jimmy Buffett actually would frequent it, and a lot of other big name

stars

have gone to WikiWatchy before, and they were on the pre video to The Mermaid Show.

I didn't realize how popular it was. Me neither.

Not not at all. I've never heard of it until we moved down here. Right. But it seems like a national

treasure Right. Sensation thing. Mhmm. And I had never heard of it until one of my friends that I worked with told me that she when she grew up, she wanted to be a mermaid at WikiWatch. I'm like, what are you talking about? Just mermaids? How do you do that? Did you evolve? Right.

So I I definitely think it's worth it to go at least once in your life. Yeah. I I do too, especially if you come down here for tourism and stuff. Just take the trip. Yep. Go early. Exactly.

Go early and, honestly,

spend the day there because

it is a lot of fun. And there's a lot, a lot,

a lot of stuff to do. Yep.

Moving on to our Surf Shack trip to in Tampa. It's actually closer to Clearwater, but Yeah. I know. That was a fucking nightmare to get there. Good. Good.

My dad's birthday was this weekend.

Yes. Just depending on when you're listening to this.

We decided to go to a place called Surf Shack Yes. In Tampa near the Clearwater area. For some reason,

you Here we go. And your family I knew you were gonna say this. Have this giant infatuation

with king crab legs. They're not from No. Oh, I thought they were the same. No. Okay. Whatever. Snow crab legs. They're not even from here.

Why are you, like,

oh, we gotta go get all you can eat crab legs.

Because it's delicious.

They are good,

but

go get stone crab. That's the thing down here. Well, it's not seasoned yet. They still sell them.

I wanna go somewhere where they are cooking them for me.

Anyway, so It just cracks me up. It's like We wanted all you can eat crab legs, and we found this place in Tampa Clearwater.

And you can laugh all you want, but it's a thing with my family. I know. It but it it was a thing when we lived in Northern Virginia and you guys your your,

vacation spot was Ocean City. Right. We have to go to Ocean City via King Crab Locks. I'm like, they sell them motherfuckers a giant.

Yeah. So they don't taste as good. Oh.

Somebody else is cooking it. They still came from

Alaska.

But they're delicious. Oh my god. But what did you have for dinner? I had a, grouper sandwich. And the grouper came from? Golf. There you go. So you were true to the area. I'm I do that.

That's my thing.

It shouldn't be her to outro. I do that. When when I go, like, when we lived in Northern Virginia, we would go to Maryland,

I would get,

like, a soft shell blue crab Mhmm. Or something like that.

Oh, Maryland food.

It's what you're supposed to do.

We like the crab. I I like them too. It just cracks me up, though. It's a thing. Yes. You're right. Is a giant like, it's not just a thing. It's a lifestyle.

We didn't choose this life? Yeah. We didn't choose the snow crab life. I love Alaska.

Oh.

That's what you love it.

If Alaska didn't exist, neither would your snow crab life. I would like to go to Alaska to see the 30 days of light.

What about night? No. Vampires will fuck you up. It's also cold and snowy then. So no. I wanna go there in the summer. I'd like to see that too. What was that movie? The proposal or whatever? No.

Yeah. Yeah. You're right. Ryan Reynolds or whatever.

Weird.

You're right. Well, they had those It's like they're all

well, at least that house was all decked out

in 30 days of light shit. Mhmm. Automatic curtains that were black out so you could sleep. That's so weird to me. I know. I won't be one day. But the Tampa Bay and Clearwater area also has upcoming the Steve o tour. Yes.

Apparently, it's a comedy show with clips of his stunts and things that he had done while on Jackass and throughout his entire life.

And he starts to tell the stories behind them, obviously, with comedic bits and their everything's freaking funny. Because if you've ever seen Jackass, you know what I'm talking about. But he's coming to Clearwater. Would you wanna go? I would.

Really? Yeah. But I wouldn't wanna pay for it and sit down and

watch him for that long. Okay. So the act of going, you don't wanna do. No. But to actually see it. If they made a Netflix series or whatever or a Netflix special on it, I would watch it. Oh, for sure. I like Steve O a lot. He's got a, what do you call it,

a story

and

he

dominated

substance abuse. Mhmm.

That's

good shit.

For sure. He was way down in the

in the depths. The stuff he talks about that he did in order to get money, in order to spend it on drugs and alcohol. Yep. He would go to bars and do Party tricks, essentially. People would be like, oh, Stibo. Let me see you

suck a shot out of my butthole, and Right. He'd end up doing it, and that's gross.

Yeah. So it would be interesting to hear his stories, but I think what I'm honestly

more interested in

Drama. Is the beef. Between him and Bam? Between him and Bam. Yeah. If you haven't heard, Bam and Jira,

back when what is it called? Jackass Forever. Right? Yeah. The where they're all old, and they just need to stop.

Turn it off. True. But they're trying to pass it off to the next generation.

And they had a lot of younger guys on there, but even still, those poor guys, they look like they need to go to rehab too.

But

he, as in Bamangira, was supposed to be in that movie. Yeah. He but he was mouthing off and talking all kinds of shit. Yep. About all of them. Exactly. He actually got fired. Yep. And he actually

filed a lawsuit, but I guess it was dropped and or handled, settled out of court.

But to fast forward to today,

his wife now has custody of his child

and has not been letting Bam see his child.

So he went on social media and said he'd kill himself.

Now I think he said he would do

cocaine or something until he died. Right. I think that was what he said. Yeah. So he's also gone on social media and trashed essentially the entire Jackass crew, all from Johnny Knoxville to Steve O to anybody who's been on the show. I think that's why he was fired

was back in for Jackass Forever was because he was shitting all over Jeff Tremaine,

I think. Don't quote me, please. Dear god.

Essentially, the last thing or the most recent thing that he did was create a dish track

against the entire Jackass crew and specifically called out Steve O

for basically call him a hypocrite and also that he couldn't skate. And the only thing that Steve O came back with was a video of him skate like skateboarding. Mhmm. And so I could skate.

He's not. He's this

Bam is just not doing anything

to to sell himself. You know? It And it's getting worse, it seems. Like, everyone

is, like, begging Bam to get sober,

and he is just going down the slippery slope of drug and substance abuse

alcohol and substance abuse Yeah. That is

literally, like, Steve O said, you're dying. Yes. You are dying. You why

what does it

accomplish, you dogging your supposed past friends? Right. And it doesn't accomplish anything. How about you just worry about yourself and go get fixed? Go get help so you can see your kid. Exactly. And I believe

she took custody

because

he like, full custody because he kept acting inappropriately

around their

son, I think. Mhmm. And it was supposedly because he was drunk all the time. Right. He has a problem.

A 100%. If you can't sober up for your child,

you you need to go Yes. Get help. Then you have a problem, and you need to get help. And and she's has every right in the world to take custody because you are, in my opinion, you're a danger to that kid. I mean, what?

You wanna take your kid to Chuck E Cheese and you're smashed all the time? Right. Come on, man. You can't drive your child to some

to

anything.

Yep.

It's sad because I love that dude. Me too. I love that whole crew, and

it makes me sad to see him,

you know, teetering on the edge. Yep.

The whole Jackass crew, like,

including Bam, it's so nostalgic, right, for us. It is our generation.

Yeah. And

to see it happening to him and

but then you see the flip side of Steve o. Right? They're the opposites right now. Yeah. You have Bam who's so

far gone, and then you have Steve O who came out of it. And Steve O's offering to help. Yep. He said I got people. Obviously, I I beat it. Yep.

Yeah. I love Viva La Bam, the Unholy Union

show. All that stuff was

insanely good. I fucking that that was that was our teenage years Yep. Watching that kind of stuff.

Yep. And it got

it makes me sad seeing him like that. The nostalgia definitely is hurting.

Did you ever watch the that seventies show? No. No?

I did, and I think that's where my love for Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis came from. Yeah. I mean Like, that started it for me. That was their big

initial thing, wasn't it? Yeah. It's how they got their that's how they broke out.

And for me,

I I love Mila Kunis. She is my girl crush. Yes. And I love Ashton Kutcher. I've always have.

He is very attractive.

They're in the media headlines right now,

and I wanna get your take on this because I've I have a thought, but I wanna get your take on it. Why do you want my take? Because it's always controversial?

No. Because we haven't talked about it yet.

And I wanna see where your head's at. Okay. Okay. So,

Danny Masterson,

he

I think it was this year,

was convicted

of

raping

2 women while drugging and raping 2 women. Mhmm. Now this was back in the early 2000.

They came forward. They put a case against him.

There's actually 3 women. 2 of them got their conviction.

3rd one got a mistrial, and they don't think they're going to pursue the one that was called a mistrial. So 2 out of 3 convicted.

He is going to be sentencing 30 years to life in prison. Oh, damn. Yeah. Well, good. He was proven guilty. So Yep. And there's a lot to do with Scientology

in it. Leah

can't think of what her last name is right now. The actress.

Lena. Lena. Yeah. The the

what was that show? King of Queens. King King of Queens? Something? I think that's show.

That. King of Queens? With the Kevin Kevin James. Yes. Yeah. Where she played the wife. Yes.

Yep. She was Scientology. She got out of it. Yeah. And she did a whole kinda, like,

trash. Oh, she's still doing it. I know. That

sounds like a cult to me. But a lot of what Dani Masterson, I guess, is

still is, I think, a Scientologist.

And

she, as in Lena, has inserted herself because of the Scientology aspect. It's like a major cult. Like, you can't leave once you join, and it's kinda creepy. Yeah. Apparently, sexual abuse happens a lot in Scientology. Okay. I don't know. I know nothing. For her words. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Anyways, so he's now been convicted.

And

during the trial, it sounds like Ashton Kutcher, Emil Acunas wrote letters, character letters for Danny because they worked with him on that seventies show. They've known him pretty much their entire lives. Right? Yeah. Probably longer than they haven't.

So they wrote letters and said he's an outstanding person. He was like a brother figure to us other than this act that he's

now convicted of. But they was he convicted at the time when they wrote these letters? No?

I think yes. Oh, so they knew that he was? Convicted. He did it. But they I think the letters were supposed to try and help with his sentencing.

Ah. I think that's how it went.

That being said,

the media has started bashing the hell out of them. Of course.

They

I don't know if they were asked

or if they decided. They both stepped down from their

child sexual abuse charity known as Thorne.

Ashton started Thorn way back when he was still a Demi,

and it was a way to open cold cases for child abuse. And Yeah.

He brought technology into it. Like, he did a lot to help develop the

that foundation, that charity. Yeah.

And now he has stepped down from it.

I guess Mila was involved too. She's also out of it.

And

because it's child sexual abuse and all the work that they've done for it,

what is your take on whether or not they should be involved in that charity and whether or not they should have wrote the letters?

I think they're 2 separate things,

but

I don't know. I don't I wouldn't have wrote the letters.

I'm not vouching for a person that's Been convicted. A convicted rapist. I'm sorry. I don't care who it is. It could be friend, family. I'm not.

You are dead to me. I'm not joking. Like, yeah, I'm done with you. You've been convicted of a

disgusting

crime. Right.

I am not vouching for your character. You need to go rot for as long as that

court determines you need to rot.

And I watched a show called the toughest prisons in America, I think is what it's called, on Netflix. And they said that there are 2 things that are the most heinous.

I think it's 2. 1 is murder, obviously. Yeah. And the other is anything to do with children or women,

specific to men, teen in prison. Yeah. Because like it or not, men are built different

and usually they are a little more powerful than women, strength wise.

So

a man could easily take advantage of a woman. Mhmm. That's just nature. Right. And if a man does that,

goodbye.

Rot, bro.

It sounds like you are against them writing the letters. How do you feel about the charity part?

I

I don't know. I feel like

I don't know. It I think it delegitimatizes

the charity

because they started it in their chairs or whatever. They're on the board or whatever it is.

It makes it seem like that charity

supports that

or

it I think it's the right choice to step down because

your involvement makes that charity's message a lot less powerful

because you just wrote a letter of a convicted rapist

vouching for his character.

Mhmm. Nah. Come the fuck on. You fucked that all up. I would have never done that. Like I said, family, friends, or not, I'm not vouching for someone that's been convicted of a crime like that.

Yeah. So here's where I'm thinking my struggle. Right? People who

are convicted of heinous crimes

when let's say it's the death chair. Right? They're going to be Death row. Thank you. They're going to death row and it's gonna happen. The purse the people who sit in the auditorium To watch. To watch,

the mom is always there. Right?

So the family certain family members are there. Maybe some of them disown them, but

it you can almost

not a guarantee, but you can almost see that the mom

is there.

So to one extent, it's like this is still a person.

They've known him for a long time,

and it's a friend. So I think the friend part for me is a little different,

but I'm trying to think if it was a family member,

like

someone that I'm really close with, would I have still done it? And I I don't know if how I feel about that. If it was a different person, not a friend,

would I have still done it? And I think that's where my mindset is struggling with whether or not

I think it's wrong that they did it for a friend is what I'll say. Yeah. A 100%. I don't but at the same time, I don't know how you

can

be okay with doing it for a family member either.

What? You're still

trying to

Well, you still love them. I get it. But they're also a monster.

True. For what they did. Yeah.

It's not you didn't make them do it. They did it. So why are you gonna sit there and vouch? I'm sorry, man. I love you, but

you fucked up. Yeah.

You need to go you need to go and serve your punishment, whatever it is. You shouldn't have done it if you didn't wanna be punished. I guess my mindset is

the friend thing,

absolutely not. Probably wouldn't I would not have done it. Now if it was a family member, like, you think of the idea of someone who's literally going away for life, that's a life sentence.

The mom's always sitting in the front. Should would

the mom's not gonna get the heat for it. Right? She would never

no one would ever say, you shouldn't have wrote a character letter to a mom for their child.

I don't know. I bet it would be if it was a famous person.

What do you mean?

There's a difference

between schmucks

like us and

famous people.

You don't think character letters have been written for rapists before by

friends?

Danny Masterson was in the public eye kinda deal. Yeah. And and Ashton Kutcher and Myla, they're both

public figures that it That's why it's so big. Yeah. That you don't think that's happened before where friends have written written character letters about of of convicted rapists?

It's happened. For sure. It's just this is a big deal because they're celebrities.

No. You're right. A 100%.

But would I do it? Absolutely not. It's like you're vouching for them to

change. Or to be the person you thought they were. Exactly. They are. You're vouching for them,

like, I can't believe they did that. Well, believe it. Right. But you need to come to terms with the fact that your friend, that you thought that they were this nice person, they're a piece of crap. Yep. And you need to get over it

and let them serve their term. Whatever the court decides is their

sentence,

it is what it is. Yeah. They made the choice.

It sucks,

but they also you also have to think about the victim.

For sure. 2 well, 3. That's what I'm saying. The victims, whatever it is.

The victim and the victim's family. How much trauma have they had to go through? And you're gonna vouch for this guy?

Come on, man. You can't vouch for that shit.

Yeah.

I think if it were in the family light, I may

be more hesitant.

But in the friend light, no. I'm not hesitant at all. No. I get being more hesitant if it was a friend, but you still have to

pull it back and see all the lives they affected.

Yeah. It's not just

they affected your life because you're having to go up there and try to do be a character

witness for this person. Mhmm.

It's messed up. They're putting you in a situation that you should never be put in. That was a lot. Nah. I don't like it.

I I'm just saying. I wouldn't have wrote it. Yeah. It's a terrible look. It's essentially it makes it look like you're vouching for

that.

Yep. And that's fucked up. I I also think about all the

advantages,

all the tech that Ashton brought into that Thorne company. He did a great thing.

And the fact that he's no longer involved, it's like, what could have been? Right?

Especially, you and I have talked about this on previous

episodes before about

the child sexual abuse and trafficking. Yes. So

what could have been, you know,

but because I made a poor decision.

Now

Yeah. But if you let them stay on, to me, it delegitimatizes

their mission

because you just vouched for a rapist. Right. So it's a sexual abuse thing.

So you're gonna stay on a board for sexual abuse? I'm confused. It it clashes.

It's like a conflict of interest at that point. Yeah. And I get what you're saying. And again, it's the idea of what if, right? What if they hadn't run the letters and they could have done this, but They should have thought about that before they did it. I know.

Big tech. We just said, Ashton involved in big tech. You ready to talk about Google Gemini? Yeah. I'm ready to get off this topic. I'm a little scared

of Oh, Ward. So we're going from sad topic to scary topic. Well, it's not scary. We've talked about AI a bunch of times Big tech. On this podcast. Big tech and AI. It's scary tech. Yes.

And

chat gpt

taking jobs. Google

is supposedly

within

the next couple of weeks or something.

They are

anticipated

to release their conversational

AI system called Gemini.

Gemini is supposed to blow chat GPT out of the water.

How and why?

It is a large language model and it can natively receive inputs of different modalities

like text,

image, audio,

all that stuff can be sent into this thing for analyzation and response,

which is creepy.

And the reason why I think it's creepy is because imagine if they install that on, like,

a security camera. Well, they could already have that on a couple of security

security devices. Sifcurity?

Security.

Right? Like, where they can outline a person or outline an animal or outline.

No. I know. But that's just that's not

I don't know. You're talking about something that can it can do everything.

It can receive data from everything

and analyze it and spit out information.

It can constantly be learning

through This sounds like minority report. Yeah.

What what if it says, oh, that dude, he's

Identifies patterns and predicts the future. It could.

But what's crazy though, it's supposedly gonna blow chat g p t out of the water. Chat g p t is

weird

in

how it can respond to your inputs. Right.

Like, you can't

it's hard for me to tell

what I'm sending them and what they're responding back is not somebody typing.

It's super fucking creepy.

Seriously, it is super creepy.

And this one's because of its

it being able to do a whole bunch of stuff and receive input from all kinds of different fields, it's gonna make it

a lot more scary, I think.

I just saw an article that said

a hacker

was able to deep fake an employee's voice to get around security.

See? Just imagine this thing that can deep

it will most likely be able to deep fake a voice.

It can do images.

So if you send if you're if you secretly take pictures of your boss Mhmm.

And you send them in and say, make me a

a headshot or whatever

of my boss. You can do that. Maybe you can

use all that information to make a social media account impersonating your boss or whatever.

It's freaky.

Mhmm. I I think

AI right now, it's gonna be our version of the industrial revolution.

Okay.

I think it's going to change things in a way

that

We engineer human humans out of life?

It's going yeah. For industry and things, it's gonna be a game changer. We already know capitalism is

profit based and that's I mean, it is what it is. Competition, business,

whatever, but

capitalism, not corporationism.

Yeah.

Right. But this is going to remove the need for a lot of jobs. Think about it. If you are a tier one tech support person,

why can't you load in

your prompts

into a chatgpt

type deal?

And

why can't chat GPT do those responses?

Right. It doesn't make sense to me because

a lot of tech support, it is a library of

knowledge about whatever product that you're asking a question about. Mhmm.

And it's just somebody picking through an answer and copy and pasting it into your

chat. Why can't you load all that into chat GPT

or Google Gemini and say, answer questions for me so I don't have to pay x amount of dollars for for tech support?

Someone would have to create the knowledge base, though. Right?

Yeah. But that's a one time deal.

That's a one time deal. It's not a that's not a job

that is

a forever job.

True. So you hire contractors at that point. Yeah. And we all become consultants to the GPT or

Freelancer. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. You you have to be

you won't have a job for

12 months out of the year. Yeah. Or 30 years. How are you going to? If if all if you're loading data and that's it, and then

you can set it up to where that thing's smart enough

to load itself,

and that's what's scary to me too. Right. When it starts pulling from other sources, like

databases,

information,

knowledge sharing from

other people that have uploaded this already.

I believe that is what is happening currently because Is it recreating the Internet?

It is scouring the Internet for data. Yes.

Because I think another thing that just happened was with this AI,

somebody's suing

ChatGPT

and OpenAI

because they

are using their work.

It feels like

In AI.

It feels like the Internet right now as we know it is

decentralized.

Right? Information's everywhere.

Yes. And what Chack, GPT, OpenAI,

all these AIs are gonna end up doing is making it centralized.

The Internet is mostly centralized now anyway, unfortunately. Yeah. You've got websites that are hosted in different

areas of the country and countries, but

where do, I don't know, 90% of your traffic

for your website,

where does that come from?

Google. Yep.

That's terrifying. That's awful. That's a that's totally anti Internet ethos.

It's a centralization and and

yeah. It's it's awful. You're web searching at that point. What I'm talking about is almost like it becomes the library of things. That's what Google is too.

Wow. My stomach

is growling.

I don't know. It's just

trying to wrap my head around it. Like, what chat gpt,

open AI, any of them any of the AIs are going to become

Yeah. I know. Is mind breaking. There's a huge unknown to me about all this stuff because of

how I mean,

it's a lot of Hollywood,

but Terminator type shit.

Yeah. But At least they went out in the eighties, and we were great in the eighties. Yeah.

But how do you

if you are making this large language model that's pulling in all this stuff

from everywhere,

how do you stop it from becoming too smart?

I don't know. Yeah. Okay. Kill switch.

If you're making it smart, why wouldn't it Kill your kill switch. Patch out a kill switch. Mhmm.

The only thing I can say about AI right now is I'm about ready for it to take over writing for Hollywood.

I think it probably

Could? Would? Yeah. One day? I think I think so. A lot of authors use it to supplement their work. They'll still write it, but they run it through chat GPT or whatever to help analyze and make sure their story progresses

good and all that. Everything right now is still on hold because of the strikes. So let's start using chat,

whatever the fuck it is called.

Put the fuck it up. Put the fuck it,

whatever it's called to start getting shows back on because I need Stranger Things, Wednesday, and Yellowstone. K? Was there another one? Oh, Cobra Kai's coming. Right?

Supposedly. I don't know. It's probably

paused too. Who knows? Yeah. All of these things are freaking on hold. So can we just use this smart shit to start making these shows? Because I need I I need it back. Holly back. Hollywood's telling us to go touch grass.

What kind of grass?

Saint Augustine. Oh, okay.

Well

Yeah. Another great week in the life of the unholy union. Stay pondering our, AI overlords that are getting ready to take over and and turn us into batteries. Just get them to start writing these shows so that I can go back to not listening to what's happening in the world and

be a battery. I'll just be a battery. I'm okay. That's all they have to do anyway nowadays.

Like the Matrix war.

Mhmm. War against the machines.

All you gotta do is put Netflix on in front of people, and they'll sit there and let you hook all kinds of shit up to them.

Uh-huh. They talk about our children being the screen zombies. It's everyone. Uh-huh. Oh, it's Netflix.

Let's watch Stranger Things 48 times.

I'm so sad. Gosh. I need season 5.

It's funny though that you're

just now getting around to that show and it's been out since 2016.

Okay. Well, I just watched Suits too. So

I'm behind. I'm behind. Suits was really good, and they should

they should make that again. Mhmm.

Yay.

Yay.

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