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Demystifying Bitcoin: Chris Reavis
In this episode, Russ and Lindz interview Chris Reavis, author and expert in making complex topics easy to understand. They discuss Bitcoin investing and its potential to create generational wealth. They also touch on the benefits of Bitcoin over traditional currencies and the impact of Bitcoin on energy usage. The episode discusses the environmental impact of Bitcoin mining and the potential benefits it can bring to the energy grid. Chris shares insights on the use of flared gas for Bitcoin mining and the importance of holding your own keys in the cryptocurrency world. The conversation also touches on the guest's upcoming book, "Boost Your Bullsh*t Resilience At Work", and dealing with work-related challenges.
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Guest Info:
Chris Reavis
Website: https://aintent.com
X / Twitter: https://twitter.com/avidintent
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Chapters
00:42 - Introduction of Chris Reavis and discussion of Bitcoin investing
03:27 - Explanation of Bitcoin and its benefits
06:34 - Comparison of Bitcoin with alternative investments
09:33 - Explanation of how Bitcoin is created through mining
19:27 - Discussion on the security and transparency of Bitcoin
23:30 - Explanation of the potential impact of Bitcoin on war and the global economy
28:00 - Discussion on the value of Bitcoin and its potential to create abundance
32:09 - Addressing concerns about Bitcoin's energy usage
34:34 - Flared gas and its impact on the environment
35:50 - The environmental benefits of Bitcoin mining
38:32 - The impact of Bitcoin mining on the energy grid
40:38 - The guest's upcoming book on dealing with work-related challenges
Transcript
Lindz:
This is Lyns. This is Russ. And we're married. Ari? Yep. Since 2013.
Russ:
We're the hosts of the Unfiltered Union podcast. Where we discuss popular headlines and interview interesting people. Our opinions may vary, but we will never censor our guests or our viewpoints. Welcome to the Unfiltered Union.
Lindz:
Another one.
Russ:
You did it anyway.
Lindz:
Just like DJ Khaled. Yeah. We have another guest, and we are so excited about this one. I am going to be a total noob in this discussion. So once again, Russ is gonna lead this. Yes. I will try my best. So we have Chris Ravitz on the show today, and we're going to start with his intro. We're gonna dive into something near and dear to Russ's heart. Let me tell you why. So Chris has an expertise in making complex topics easy to understand by a variety of audiences.
In this case, we're gonna be demystifying
Bitcoin Investing. Investing. Yes.
To date, he has helped over 80 investors on their journeys to create generational wealth with Bitcoin. None of them were tech experts, financial gurus, or economists.
All of them learned a ton and enjoy a positive return.
So, again, this
is Russ's
true blue,
all of the things that he loves. So we're gonna have fun with this one today, and we can't thank you enough, Chris, for coming and joining us. Absolutely. It's my honor. So excited to be here. Alright.
Let's start with again, I'm gonna be the noob here. So I'm gonna ask the really,
I'm just gonna say, dumb questions. Right? These are someone who I am not currently
in that world and investing. Russ knows way more than I do. But for someone who knows nothing
Chris Reavis:
about Bitcoin, how would you define it? Yeah. It's it's actually a great question, and there's no dumb ones. I'm glad you're asking. So,
there's a couple different ways to think about it. So sometimes people quickly will answer, well, Bitcoin's digital gold, because people can understand what gold is. Gold's had value for a long time. And They think about digital gold. Oh, I can just move gold in the Internet from peer to peer. That's it's not entirely right, but that's one way to think about it. The more academic answer, it's a peer to peer
currency, if you will. So I could send money to you with no bank, no credit card, no intermediary.
I can sit it on Sunday at 10 AM in my,
pajamas playing with my dog, drinking coffee, and it goes through. There's no 3 day wait. There's nothing else like that. But it's it's digital money.
It's incredibly
secure. It's the most secure money that has ever existed.
And
won't go too much in the weeds. The problem with Bitcoin is it's a deep well. But one thing that's very different about it, it's it's what's called a hard money. So it means it will not devalue.
We're used to inflation being a normal thing
and and just kind of have accepted that. Right? But Bitcoin is what's called a hard money. There's only a certain amount of currency that will ever exist,
and that's a totally new concept. So big answer to your question, but that's what Bitcoin is.
Lindz:
No. I appreciate that. I mean, the idea of the gold currency, I think that's a great way to put it because you're still putting a dollar value on gold. Right? Right.
I I like that a lot. I think when we start thinking about Bitcoin, it does get really
big and scary.
Sure. But overall, I mean,
why would I be interested in this? I know you're saying it's a a hard investment. It is something that is
you can't create more of, and we shouldn't be used to that.
Chris Reavis:
Right. So why why should I be interested in Bitcoin? You know, I'm I'm gonna flip it and talk about the villain in the story. So Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We don't think about our monetary system as a villain, and and we don't study it in school, and we don't know about it. And a lot of people, lot of us, myself included, are learning, like, are afraid of money. Right? It's there's we've got a lot of fear and emotion around it. But if I talk about,
what's called a fiat system, which are all the modern currencies, US dollar, euro, all of them are what are called fiat, just a fancy word.
They're not based on anything. So since 1971,
we've been off the gold standard. The US dollar is literally printed out of thin air
by 12 banks and the treasury.
During COVID, we increased the currency almost 40%.
So it's it's the the the villainization
here is is banks and others are continually creating
more currency
so that they can pay off debts, so that they can sell debt products, which is what banks sell. And it's just it creates an unsustainable thing for our families, for our generations,
for
developing nations. It's just
I can't think of a better way to describe it, but evil. It's kind of the silent evil that's there.
And so the only way to do to
do that is to get rid of it and do something that's that's based on,
not countries,
not companies, not human beings, that's trustless,
that's decentralized,
that's incredibly secure.
And instead of,
just creating new currency all the time,
Bitcoin doesn't have that. So if you think of the simple example I'll give really quick, long answer to your question again, sorry. But if you think of a fraction
and that bottom part of the fraction, say you've got 1 fourth,
and someone just decides to move that 4 away and make it a 100.
So now your currency is worth 1 1 100th of what it was before. Right? And that that's really what's happening. That denominator
is constantly changing, and your buying power is going down. We experienced by higher prices. Right? And we blame inflation. We blame politicians, which are really a sideshow.
But it's it's the, the currency devaluation is sort of the evil one. And Bitcoin's the only way I know out of that long term.
And the reason I get excited about it is for my kids, you know, for my grandkids. You know, hopefully,
we won't experience massive devaluation of all our currencies in our lifetime, but we may.
And it's the only other option that's that's really out there, in my mind that exists.
Russ:
Right. If you tell somebody that if you had $1,000
in your bank
and you left that $1,000 there, it wouldn't be worth a $1,000 as it was back then. No. But if you did a $1,000 in Bitcoin 10 years ago,
you would have been
Lindz:
you'd be living a totally different life now. He will not let me live that down. We'll get to that story here in a minute. I I made that mistake really too. So yeah.
Yeah. I mean,
ultimately,
you know, I I am the new bit. Obviously, Russ is more involved, but I hear a lot of things about altcoins. I hear a lot of things about Sure. Alternative
investments. A lot of, even our friends and neighbors
mentioned that they have their investments in the stock market. They're doing well. Why should I even consider something in crypto?
Got it. So what would you what would your advice be to them for Bitcoin versus alternative investments?
Chris Reavis:
Yeah. Well, first off, I'm not a qualified investment person at all, but what I would say to them as a friend would be, look. As part of your portfolio, Bitcoin
makes a ton of sense and you can't ignore it. That's my first thing I would say.
The other is I would take time to kinda educate them on what altcoins are and what they do. So where they're different than Bitcoin is they almost always have a venture capital firm or a CEO behind them.
They're centralized,
which is the same problem we have with the US dollar that I just talked about. And they kinda have these pump and dump schemes. So they'll they'll get the money high,
or the valuation high, then the VC takes their money, the venture capital company takes their money, and then it dumps. So it's not a good long term term store of value.
Hardcore Bitcoiners have some derogatory words to say about all coins. Yeah. But, you know, there's what? 25,000
of them? And I mean, it's just kind of absurd, and and I think Bitcoiners get upset because they get grouped with it. Right? You're grouped with the not the gross stuff.
Now,
in regards to the stock market, you know, honestly, a lot of our portfolios in our 4 zero one k's and IRAs are in stock. So that doesn't mean that they're
evil or wrong, and I wouldn't suggest everyone put all of their money in Bitcoin. Other folks would. But,
you know, a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 percent of what you're investing
to put and hold that in Bitcoin long term is gonna probably
outdo the other 95%,
right, over time. It's just
as you get into it and know more, it's just math,
and it's just an algorithm.
And
there's no sure thing in life, but, like, on a long term basis, on a 10 year, 20 year basis,
you're gonna do incredibly well on Bitcoin. So I wouldn't throw all the other stocks away. I would stay away from Altcoins.
Russ:
You know, a lot of people jokingly call it, like, a casino and the house always wins. Oh. For sure. I mean, it's just a waste of energy. Absolutely. I agree with you on that. And a lot of those altcoins, they tend to have pre mints, which
they get they enrich their buddies. Right. And then they sell it to us as the as the non insiders.
And then all of a sudden, we we're buying it up. They have millions of them. They and that's where the dump comes from. Yeah. It's Ponzi scheme. Right? Or A 100%.
Yep. And that and that's what that's what cracks me up is a lot of these news
agencies and things of that nature, they end up saying that, no. Bitcoin's the Ponzi scheme. I'm like, how?
Right. There's nothing there's no benefit to me
owning more Bitcoin, like a proof of stake system.
Right. There's a benefit there for Joe Schmo who was in on, the
the minting of said coin, you know, and and they've got 10,000,000 of them. Now they got huge control over consensus and all that. Right. So speaking of proof of stake Yeah. Yeah.
How how are more Bitcoin created?
Chris Reavis:
Yeah. So
Bitcoin or mine, and I'll explain what that means in a second. But
there there's 2 things that that happen with mining and also nodes. They're they often get glum together as 2 different things. So
nodes are actually Bitcoin nodes run all over the world. There's 100 of 1,000 of them, probably even a1000000 at this point. They're free to stand up, totally decentralized, and that that's what guarantees, like, a transaction goes through or validates
each block.
And a block is something that happens every 10 minutes. You can think of it I'm gonna say it a little bit wrong in hardcore Bitcoiners. You can scream at me, but think of it as a package. And in that package are some new Bitcoin and some transactions
wrapped up in a nice big honking algorithm that's very secure. So every 10 minutes, one of these things is created. Right now,
every 10 minutes, it's 6.25
Bitcoin, or an easy way to think of it is 900 Bitcoin a day.
Every 4 years, that number goes in half. So here in about a month in April 24, that'll go to 450 a day, and it just goes gets smaller and smaller because that's how the algorithm works.
Now the way the way miners work, there's, I think, almost 7,000,000 miners that we know about,
on the blockchain today.
They're literally,
most of them are are ASICs, which think of like a shoebox with 2 fans in it and computer in the middle. That's all it is. It's not like a c o two producing machine or something big elaborate. It's a really simple
machine
that
it's doing math. Now now people will say it's solving a hard math problem. That's not totally accurate. But
it's finding very, very, very big prime numbers where the next block is.
It's competing to create that package that I talked about. Right? So it's got some transactions in it and some new Bitcoin.
And if it is successfully able to create that package and put it on the network and validate, it's paid by by Bitcoin. So the miners themselves are paid by Bitcoin. There's millions of them competing,
you know, to get at that. And, usually, I have visuals to show that because it's a lot at once, but there's just large compute farms all over the world
that are competing to win that block every 10 minutes and get paid in Bitcoin for that block.
Lindz:
Well, I wanna kind of harp on this because Yeah. We said that, you know, inflation isn't a thing. Right? It's not a thing with Bitcoin. But if more can be created
Yeah. Then isn't that a contradictory statement?
Chris Reavis:
That's a great question. Yeah. So there's a a max count of Bitcoin that can ever be created of 21,000,000.
It's it's hard coded in everything. It's in all the blocks. It's in all the nodes.
If you were to change that, the nodes were to reject it, and it wouldn't work. So it's it's really hard coded in the algorithm. People will go, oh, you create more. You can't. I mean, unless there's a massive code change and 6,000,000 miners and all the,
all the validators agreed.
So there's only a 21,000,000.
Not all of them have been created yet, though. And so there are 900 created a day. Soon, it'll be, you know, 450 a day, and, eventually, it becomes a really small number until it reaches that 21,000,000.
So in circulation today, roughly 19,000,000.
Another 2,000,000 ish will be generated over the next 100 years.
Now the good news about it,
Bitcoin is divisible, like, to a 1000000 zeros out. We're also not used to that. So
in time, we'll talk about satoshis instead of Bitcoin, so a decimal point out there.
Right? So it's there's plenty of Bitcoin to go around for our 8,000,000,000 on the planet,
but there only will ever be 21,000,000. Does that answer your question? I know it's a lot of info at once.
Lindz:
No. For sure.
Like,
again, Russ knows all this stuff, and as far as he said it to me a million times. So you're just reaffirming it for me and making it make more sense because
I love my husband, but goodness gracious.
Russ:
She don't she don't the same way. She don't wanna listen to me.
Chris Reavis:
No. I I understand.
Russ:
Well, in that 21,000,000, you also have to factor in lost Yes. Bitcoin as well, which
I think
the creator Satoshi did say that you can think of lost Bitcoin as a donation to the, to the entire network because
it makes ours, you know, if you own Bitcoin
Yeah. It makes it worth more because now there's less than 21,000,000.
Right. But I did I did wanna kinda
name what that method is, though. It's mining, but it's also called proof of work. It is. Yeah. So so most of
these altcoins, they do proof of stake, which means you have more.
That means you have more control over the rules that are created and things of that nature. Proof of work is, in my opinion,
well,
yes.
It's far more secure. It's far more secure, and it's way more decentralized.
Absolutely.
Chris Reavis:
And, like I need Chris to repeat that whole statement you just said because I didn't hear you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So no. No. I'm kidding. No. I'm so glad you brought it up. So there's a difference between what's called proof of work and proof of stake, and
you said it great. The other thing that I would add to proof of work is you can think of the value of Bitcoin as the energy it takes to create it. There's literally some electricity
and some math that was solved and that gives it intrinsic value. Right? It's it's you can also think of digital energy if you were.
Proof of stake is
instead of all these miners competing and doing math and being decentralized,
someone's holding a big bunch of it, and they're using that for the math.
And that is really, from a ex hacker perspective, really flipping easy to hack. Right? I I know which point to attack. I know I can how I can fake it. I can do denial of service. I mean, all those nefarious things that bad actors can do. I was an ethical hacker, but all those bad things people can do,
it makes it really easy to do. And that's where you see these attacks and exploits and and stuff are stolen because you know where to go. Right? You know that an insurance company
has lots of health data. Right? You know what a credit card company has lots of credit. So attackers know where to go. With proof of stake, it's the same thing. There's a dozen big holders
of Ethereum or or these other alts.
You know exactly where to go. You can you can fake them and everything else, and then it's again, we have the same problem. Us as humans should really not control money. Right? It should be decentralized because every time we touch it, we kinda f it up a lot. Right? The greed gets in, and all of our human stuff,
we screw it up. And,
pretty bad. So,
you know, that's another reason. It's kind of an emotional thing, and it's a human thing, but it's like we're not great with running financial systems as human beings. Right?
It it just tends to bad things happen eventually. And that's another reason I think Proof4 works way better and the decentralization
Russ:
is better because it's it's trustless. We don't have to be involved in it. Yeah. And and even besides the hacking point, if those 12 individuals that own,
you know, the most of whatever altcoin
Yep. They can say, you know what? I wanna print more. Right. Absolutely. And that's it. So everybody that bought into that system, now their Right. Their stuff is now gonna be devalued just like our US dollar because
I like what you said where people shouldn't control money, and that's the beauty of this Bitcoin is because it's, like, it's everywhere. And I wanna kinda make the point that
nodes are essentially the rule setters.
Right. And those are super cheap to run.
Yep. I you can go buy a Raspberry Pi on Amazon or whatever. They're kind of expensive now because of, you know, the supply issues with those. But you you can get those usually for like a $100 and then run a node. And you're part of the network
making sure rules are being set and
followed.
Totally. I would recommend running 1. I run 1. It's cheap.
Chris Reavis:
Yeah. But get all your old PC and put Linux on it and and Exactly.
Download it and away you go. Yeah. I mean, it takes a couple days for the to get the whole network. Yeah. The initial launch. Fun too. Right? You can Exactly. Out and I mean, for house geeks, it's fun. So Yeah. It's a learning experience and but but, I mean, you're you're part of a a decentralized currency that I do believe will change the world for the better.
Lindz:
Yeah. Let me to kinda to kinda for sure. Exactly. To kinda compound on that though, when you say that you can get a raspberry anybody can get a raspberry Pi. Right? And Yeah. We're saying that security is so high. Well Yeah. If anybody can get in it, get involved
Chris Reavis:
Right. Then how how how is that secure? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tell her a question. So part of the rule set is there's a large number of validations. So if I got a Raspberry Pi and I was a bad actor and I was doing bad things, the rest of the network would give me the middle finger. Right? And it would shut me off.
So between both the nodes and the miners,
there's a set of rules that this is how we abide by. And what's really cool, the it the Bitcoin does have a blockchain. Blockchain has a bad name in world, but it is based on blockchain check.
There's an order to it. Right? So 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
If 4, like, doesn't exist in your blockchain and you try to hose it, you're also hosed. So there's, like, this nice length
of,
I'm not a mathematician, so I won't say it well. But, you know, there there's a strand there that has to be there for this to work. So if you introduce a Raspberry Pi in your own code and you try to hose it and you change your number 4, the network's gonna reject it.
So, yeah, that that's what's really cool is there's this
decentralized network that validates every single transaction.
So if I buy and send you money,
I don't need a a third party or, you know, title company for anything. I just send it to you and the nodes in the network guarantee that it's a legitimate transaction or it's not. Right. But you're you're, downloading the core
source code. And the other part is the source code's all visible.
So you can see if you're a coder or know a coder, you can see exactly what's in it. I mean, there's no it's totally transparent, you know, unlike a bank, like, show me your ledger, they're not going to. They can.
Right? Or, well, they can show me your bank account. You never even see that. It's all there to see, which is it's a little overwhelming. Right?
Yeah. For sure. Now you don't know who the people are on the other side. There's some anonymity
there. Like, I don't know Bitcoin address this and Bitcoin address that is, you know, Russ and Chris.
But,
I do see that ledger and that this transaction happened. So it's this nice combination of anonymity
and, like, fear full transparency.
Lindz:
Yep. Well, I think that's probably another barrier to entry for a lot of people is the bad press that Bitcoin can receive because of those bad actors who are
anonymous and Right. They're really just taking everything from people. Sure. I mean, how how do you feel
Chris Reavis:
that people could guard themselves if they were involved in Bitcoin? The so it's it's really interesting. It's, and it's you're right. It gets brought up a lot. Elizabeth Warren and others talk about, like, you know,
child abduction. All these right. All the bad scary things get put in. The reality is Bitcoin and even the alt coins are an awfully bad way to do crime because there's a full blockchain to find you. So,
there's there's lots of examples of the US government finding people really quickly that were were dumb enough to use Bitcoin to do bad things. Because there's a whole thing versus, you know, a stack of cash that's a lot better. Right? Here's the cash and Yeah. That's what tracks me up about
Russ:
politicians dogging Bitcoin for being used for crime. It's like, how how much US dollars every day are being used for drug deals? Printed. Yeah. Printed. Yeah. That's a crime in itself. You're stealing from me.
Chris Reavis:
No. No. A 100%. Yeah. So but, I mean, those news stories are there.
It's important to just, I think, hear the person out and hear their fear out, because if I go right back at them, hey. You're wrong. Like, that's not good. So okay. I understand you're nervous. I understand you're afraid. That makes sense. Let me explain to you how this works.
You know?
It's it's so much more secure
than
and safer than,
than cash for sure. But, also, if you think about, like, a a Venmo or a PayPal or all those things, or if you've ever had a bank, like, hold your funds for 3 days
just because, you know, it takes that long to clear, like, it clears in 20 minutes. Right? The the money moves in the back end network swift between banks in 20 minutes. It doesn't take 3 days.
You know, so,
I think that's just a time thing, people getting comfortable with it and understanding. I think
going to Bitcoin events and seeing, like, that's what really changed me. I was an Alt Corner and Bitcoin ing until I started going to events, and I saw the caliber of people
that, like, really cared. It's not about money for us BitCorners. They actually want to change the world. Yes. And and we're altruistic and maybe stupid enough to think we can do it. But,
there's hardcore, you know, economists and others that are that are in the Bitcoin
space. If you go to the altcoin ones or even like a,
you know, a company,
annual event,
it's all hype and money and let's get rich quick, and it's like that kinda noise.
And, you know, after a while, I didn't get tired of that. So,
yeah, Bitcoin's different that way.
I think there are gonna be some people that will just
you know, it's it's early. It's like the Internet when it first came out. Folks like, what is that? It's crap. Or, you know, and when texting came out, it was big in Japan and not here. I'm like, why are people, like, typing on their phones? That makes no sense. Right? It's it's all catches on in time.
And there'll be early adapters, you know, which we're still in that spot.
Russ:
Yeah. You said we're still early. Yeah. Oh, yeah. This is the problem that I have with trying to,
I don't I'm not gonna say convert, but push people towards investing into Bitcoin.
Oh, it's too expensive. It's $60,000
per coin. And I'm like, but that's not
you're you're looking at it as a US dollar thing. Right. That's not the that don't do that. And it's so hard to break people of that, and, I mean, I get it. We've been on that US dollar forever now. Right.
But I'm I'm trying so hard and it how do you kinda
deal with telling people, like, look. It's early. Yeah. It looks like a lot,
and it and it is. I mean, if you wanna get your you wanna be a whole coin or whatever, it's a lot for sure.
But
how do you kind of bring people back and kinda, like,
explain Yeah. Look. It's not about that US dollar number right now,
And the upside of this is going to be massive.
Chris Reavis:
I wish I was more successful because it seems to be only a certain percentage, like, wanna get it. Right?
I I've used Legos. I've literally put 21 Legos out there and, like, let me explain. You know? And I've done, like, the really simple supply and demand drawing. Like, there's only over 21,000,000.
Now we've got BlackRock and Fidelity buying a $1,000,000,000
of Bitcoin a day. You know, so just doing like it's we're only making 900 and they're buying, which I don't know what 900 times 70 is, what's that?
63,000,000, something like that a day.
And they're buying a 1,000,000,000 a day, right?
So it's just supply and demand, right? It's going to go up.
So folks get that. I think also if I talk about generational wealth,
and,
the nice part about Bitcoin in some ways is
it's not a method of exchange yet. We're not using it for everyday products. If we're just being honest about you could, but it's not there. It's a lot easier like a 401 k. It's a lot easier to park it and, like, not look at it and not try to spend it. Right. And that sounds weird, but the fact that it's you buy it and hold it is a really good thing, and a lot of people resonate with that.
But, you know, honestly, I would say
5 to 10% of all my normie friends
take action and the others that might roll their eyes at me or or might get it later. Maybe I planted a seed and it's gonna come later,
and just keep going because I'm not gonna convert everyone. Right? For sure. But it's I can't just stand by at the same time with my friends and, like, not say it. Like, I would feel awful for not, like, telling them. There's posts on my Facebook of
stuff almost every week of And not investment advice, but just,
you know, do you want
do you want health care to change? Do you want the things that aren't money,
I think if we talk about those, that's what resonates with people more. More. Right? Do you want us not to be at war all the time? Do you want these things in your life? Which everyone's like, yes. I'm like, k. The money system's a little broken. Go look at that. And then here's an option to tweak that.
Russ:
Right. So I like this is kind of a cool little
segue.
Why do you think Bitcoin would help with war?
Chris Reavis:
Yeah.
I am not a defense expert, and I I have a huge love and respect for our veterans and all the Absolutely. Our country. Right? But I wish we never had to put them in frickin' harm's way in the first place. Right? In this day and age, it's not World War 2. We're not being invaded.
So in my opinion,
the value of the US dollar comes from our ability to defend ourselves, right, in our military budget.
Right? The the other part that's kinda the the villain that we're not talking about is when we devalue the US dollar,
we made agreements with Saudi Arabia and others that all oil
exchanges on the planet have to be done in US dollar, which makes everyone have to hold the US dollar, which
in a weird bizarre way,
I mean, one, it makes every country angry with you because we keep devaluating,
like you talked about. Right? You've just devalued
their debt with you and their method of exchange, but it's also we we've got this constant since it's not based on,
a hard asset like gold or Bitcoin,
not that gold's totally hard, but it's harder than Fiat.
We gotta constantly defend it and be the strongest country. That's the only really value
behind the US dollars, our ability to stay strong as a country.
That's where it comes from. Right? Next, it would go to China or Russia,
after that. So,
yeah, in my opinion, that's you know, if if you had Bitcoin
and it's not controlled by a government, which would be really bizarre for us because we're used to, like, dollar and euro on that. But if you had a currency, it didn't matter what country you're
in, it flips the power structure.
Like, you don't need to have a massive military necessarily
because we're all spending the same money, you know, one way or the other.
And it changes the priorities. Like, okay, proof of work. Like, we do a lot of proof of stake things in
our normal life. Right?
We hope that
home prices just keep going up, and we make money off that. We're not doing work for that. There's no there's no work or effort, but we're valuing this increase.
And folks that can flip lots of houses and do lots of Airbnbs, they make lots of money. I'm not trying to villainize them, but that's not really proof of work. That's more of a proof of stake thing.
1st, what if we valued, like,
you know,
the farmers and the producers and people that create things of value?
It would flip like our value system, right? And how we treat people and everything else. So I think that's a long answer to your question. And I don't have like a super succinct one. I'm not like a Jeff Booth or those guys.
But I I I think once you take the money out of it I mean, I I joke about this in the Middle East. We
we spend all this money on oil. If you took all that money out of the Middle East, I think we'd see something different, right? I mean
Yeah. Right? It changes the problem.
So, and again, I am not against
anyone that serves. I have huge, like, respect for those people, but I just wish we didn't have to put them in harm's way so much. It just Absolutely. It's just a waste of talent.
Russ:
It For sure. That's that's nuts. Right. I'm sorry. What you just said really hit me. Like,
Lindz:
the idea of the way of old. Right? The old way to invest
is real estate. Like, try to screw. Right? People make money off of real estate, and that is something that people talk about all the time. Right. But if you flip it on its head and put in Bitcoin
Right. The idea of utilizing that in agriculture.
Russ:
Right.
Wow.
Chris Reavis:
Right. Yeah. It creates abundance. Right? So the price is actually what's really weird is we have all of this,
and other smart people have said this to me and I've just taken it in. So we have all this incredible technology to mass produce things. Why aren't prices going down? Like, why aren't we paying less for lettuce or less
for consumables and oil? We're paying more. It makes zero sense.
And it's because we're devaluing that dollar. You're devaluing the currency. Right. Right. And if the currency is
is increasing in value,
you know, or it's scarce where there's less of it, then then it creates abundance because things are actually priced less, which it takes a while. I still my brain still goes, what?
Lindz:
It breaks my brain.
Chris Reavis:
Yeah. Yeah. But, like, if if, you know, let let's pretend that we could all have good lives and be healthy. It's not that we're gonna be poor. That's not what it means.
But if things were abundant, I'm like, well, that would solve a lot of problems.
Russ:
Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
Chris Reavis:
Yeah. And and we valued effort and work that people put towards something regardless of who they are or where they are or what country they're in.
That flips a lot of things on its head. So, yeah, that's one of the reasons I'm behind Bitcoin. It's not just like a geeky fun thing, but as I get deeper into it and learn more, I'm like, this really has capacity to change a lot of things. Yeah. I mean, making people mad at you because you are printing
Russ:
US dollars out of thin air when the it's essentially the world's reserve currency.
Right. Right. For for now. Right. Yeah. Of course, they're gonna get mad at you. They're holding 1,000,000,000. Who who knows how much? And Yeah. Holding our debt in 34,000,000,000,000
right? And counting. Exactly. And it's being it's less and less. And I did read somewhere that we are purposefully devaluing it. So our debt
number Yes. Is technically a lot less. Guessing. Yeah. Yeah. So
Chris Reavis:
I'll get the numbers wrong, but it's roughly like this. Our our federal budget, let's call it 2,000,000,000,000 a year. The number's wrong. But,
we only have, like, 1,000,000,000,000 to pay it, so we print another 1,000,000,000,000
so that we can run our
run our government. Right?
Russ:
It's just like, what? It's funny money. Yeah. Well, make it up. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And Bitcoin's a problem? Yeah. Right. Exactly. Exactly. You
Chris Reavis:
so deep and more than most people go into, and we're not talk taught about money in elementary school in any way, shape, or form. Right? Taught about it in school at all. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Right. We give the credit card we give credit cards out, but that's about it. Yeah. And and just bury yourself in
debt. Right? Because that's how the banks make money, and they run the country. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
Russ:
So you you did say a couple of things about
digital energy.
Yeah.
What do you have to say to the naysayers?
Yeah. That
about that
the Bitcoin and its energy
footprint? Totally. I I
think that's a bunch of crap because if you pull in the data
Yeah. And you look and see how much energy Visa,
Capital 1 Oh, yeah. American Express, these huge high rise buildings that have thousands of employees that are sitting in there day in and day out.
Chris Reavis:
I bet you their energy footprint's way up there versus the midpoint. Yeah. No. You've hit the nail on the head. The the site I love to use,
there's
a study done by Cambridge. So Cambridge University England, super renowned, legit university,
has done a study that I think is the most unbiased one. It's always updated that shows all the energy in the world,
and it's pretty close, I'd say, within 5% of the Bitcoin energy usage.
It's at, right now, globally, 0.6%
of the total energy usage. So, you know, I would argue 99.4%
might be the problem we wanna go after and not the 0.6. But
that aside,
you know, anecdotally, we don't get concerned about,
I have an electric car. We don't get concerned about plugging in electric cars and that hit on the grid. Right? That's a popular thing because it reduces CO 2, and it's culturally popular right now. Right? And Bitcoin's a little unknown.
It probably uses a little more energy. It's around 20,000,000,000,000
watts,
per hour a year for all the Teslas plugged in in the US, and we're probably at about 25 for Bitcoin.
It's a very, very small percentage.
It's creating value. The other thing is I'm I'm pretty deeply geekily involved in Bitcoin mining.
All of my miners are using renewables,
and there there's more renewables that can be used, I'll explain why in a moment, because of Bitcoin.
So,
take wind turbines, for example. Right? When the wind's blowing, they're going. They can produce energy. When the wind's not blowing, they can't.
The grid wants a stable energy. Right? When you flip the switch on, you just want electricity to flow. It can't have that variability.
The cool thing about Bitcoin is that additional energy use, it can use right away.
So you can actually build a larger wind farm because you can sell that wind. You can build a larger grid
because the energy is there to use it. So it's actually better. It's a weird sort of subtle thing, but it's better.
The last thing I'd say on energy, I have a buddy in Texas that just started doing this. So, flared gas,
when you when you take natural gas up and you see, like, these burning things you drive by in the the sky,
that's putting flat out methane, right, in the atmosphere. It's probably the worst
gas to put out in in large volumes.
And they're burning that off as they part of the natural gas mining process.
He has a a Bitcoin mine. He just started, and there's lots of these, where instead of that flaring up into the air, he's that's going to a generator and it's powering his Bitcoin farm. So total waste methane is being taken out of the air by Bitcoin miners.
So, I
mean, it's a small percentage. There is energy usage. I would not want to live within a Bitcoin farm. Like, just I wouldn't wanna live within a, you know, a manufacturing
car production place.
You don't wanna live right in it,
but it's it's it's clean. It's literally a fan going through a shoebox. It doesn't produce c o 2 any more than plugging in your electric car produces c o 2.
And, yeah, there's a lot of naysayers. There's a lot of noise.
Some of the altcoin CEOs are funding things to get more noise out there, but it's not bad. I'm I'm kind of a environmentalist
too, and I have, like, zero qualms about
Bitcoin mining from an environmental standpoint. Make none.
Russ:
Right. Right. Yeah. And and, yeah,
I I think Bitcoin mining does incentivize
more investment in the energy grid. Oh, big time. I mean, I know Texas has a lot of issues with energy grids. They surely do. And
Chris Reavis:
I can't remember. I think it might have been last year. They had all those winter storms. Right. They needed all that power. So all the Bitcoin miners said, alright. We'll shut it off. Yeah. They shut it off. Boom. That grid stabilized and all that extra energy that Bitcoin was using, that would have been, you know Oh, it's a 100% right, and the grid wouldn't be that big if they weren't Bitcoin demand. And, yeah, you're right. Texas has a ton of actually, it's the largest producer of wind energy in the country. It's kind of amazing. They built lots and lots of wind farms along the coastline there. So it's one of the better places for wind,
and they have more capacity than they know what to do with. So those turbines are just sometimes sitting there freewheeling.
Russ:
Right.
Chris Reavis:
It's it's it's kinda sad. If you're gonna go to the effort to put that up, I mean, let's use the energy. Just like if you're gonna put a dam in the river, let's the hydro. You've already screwed up the river, so let's use the hydro then. Exactly. Right? Exactly.
Russ:
This is just this is a question that just popped into my head. What happens to
okay. So that grid is increased because of Bitcoin. What happens
when the miners do shut off? What is that extra excess energy?
Chris Reavis:
What does that do? Yeah. It's there's only enough energy on the grid for the needs of the grid at the time. It's there's tons of so,
the West Coast, the East Coast, and Texas have their own grids,
and there's literally only enough energy for it. So if you don't have enough, you have experienced brownouts. If you have too much, it pops breakers.
So when when the Bitcoin miners turn off, their the grid operators,
you know, if if a large farm I mean, this would take a really big farm for it to they they deal with fluctuations all day long. But if a really large farm were to go down, they would actually curtail,
energy production by other sites,
whether it's gas or coal or solar, whatever, and say, hey. Instead of operating a 150 gigawatts, I need you at 148.
I gotcha. Yeah. Electrons, like, there's a really funny animation. I need to find it. But electron, all energy is electrons. So they come from the source of generation to your light switch, your computer, whatever else, and then they actually go back home. There's a little circle.
So when you mess up that circle, those electrons are gonna go somewhere else, right? So you wanna make sure that circle's really healthy.
Right. You don't want that circle going through your house or if there's a downed power line, don't please don't get near it because the electricity will go right through the ground and and hurt you. But, yeah, that's that's what happens is if any large industrial thing dropped off the grid and dropped demand, the grid would have to adjust down.
Russ:
But
adjusting down is okay.
Absolutely. Right. Right. Brown brownouts is what that's where you don't that's what you don't want. Right. You don't want enough power and and Bitcoin creates.
Chris Reavis:
Yeah. And it's it's probably the easy you hit it so well. It's the easiest industrial thing. Like, you can turn it right off and it won't hurt anything. You can't do that with a chemical plant Right. Or a car production plant. It's gonna be at least an hour for them to ramp down all their stuff safely.
Yeah. Whereas, Bitcoin, you can literally pull the plug or flip the breaker and and you're
Russ:
done. Yeah. And and in regards to that flared gas, I read about
So cool. Why they do it. They flare gas because it would cost more Right. To take that gas and then go sell it, you know, get a truck all the way out to these mining sites. Where to store it? Yeah. Nowhere to store it. So they're like, alright. It's either I pay this guy that drives this truck Right. You know, a $100 an hour to drive out here 10 hours to this remote site Right. Fill their tank up Right. And drive all the way back. It's gonna cost me $10,000
when all I gotta do is just burn it. Right. Well, of course, they're gonna burn it. But now you're you're incentivizing
actually utilizing that gas in a cleaner manner by running it through a clean generator
Yep. That can then power a little mini Bitcoin farm. That is that is awesome.
It's pretty
cool. Yeah. It's nuts.
It's it but see,
how do you
how can you dog Bitcoin when there's all this, like,
insane innovation coming out of it? Yeah. Like, what they were never doing things with that gas before.
No. Now all of a sudden, you're incentivizing.
Alright.
Instead of burning that in a dirty way, which is a fire, you know Right. And probably dangerous. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
You're gonna sit there. You're gonna put a nice high end clean generator there that will power these miners, and you're gonna make money off of it. Absolutely.
And and secure the network. Yep. And secure the network. It's it's it's it's
win all the way around. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
Lindz:
Well, I I've learned a lot.
Russ:
Fire away. It is.
Lindz:
Certainly.
But I mean, based on what we know of you, you have helped 60 everyday investors participate in the complex world of Bitcoin mining and helped other Bitcoin investors
create 352,000,000
in generation wealth for their families.
I mean, to kinda close out this segment here, what what advice would you give someone just starting out on their crypto journey? Bitcoin journey.
Chris Reavis:
Yeah. Well, you said it well. I mean,
you know, the the nice part is you can start small.
It's normal to be afraid. There's a lot of info.
There are a couple places that I,
there there's a lot of good on ramps. Right? So I'll name 1 and some will name 3 others.
I would say
Swan Bitcoin,
River,
and Unchained are places I would trust. They have free information.
They're well done.
They only do Bitcoin. They're not doing Altcoins. The got you with the coin bases and the Geminis and all that is is
you're walking in a casino. Right? You're gonna get sidetracked with a by the video game machine and go play that and be sad that you lost
money. So, I mean, that's where I would start.
There's a lot of great books. There's local meetups everywhere in the country and in the world.
And just think about something simple. One simple exercise I do is, like, if you were not to go to Starbucks one day a week and that 5 or $8 latte you just put into Bitcoin,
if you just did that for 5 years, which sounds like a lot, but if you did that for 5 years, you'd probably be a millionaire year 10 or 12. Like, that's that's the power of Bitcoin and long term holding your money. It doesn't take a lot.
People that don't have much can really do well. So that that's where I would start. And Swan Bitcoin's one of my favorite,
only because I know those people well, but I know River and Unchained are are great entry points as well.
Russ:
So let me let me ask you a question.
Yeah. What is your price prediction
within the next Oh, jeez.
5, 5, 6 years. Argued about this Yeah. Yesterday.
Chris Reavis:
So Yeah. So so folks listening, every 4 years, there's a a bull market.
Every other 2 years, there's a bear market. It's a cycle. And people freak out, oh, Bitcoin's going to nothing. I'm like, no. It's the bear market. In 2 more years, it'll be the bull market. It's like a a wave of smoke coming in. Did you did you listen into our argument yesterday? No. I wasn't. No. But I but I would say I mean, we're gonna hit 6 digit. How big we go is really hard to predict. I mean, I think it'll go at least 150.
I have friends that say that it'll go 250. I'm like, really?
My time horizon is 20 30 plus, you know, so I'm I'm looking at when Bitcoin is is 6 7 figures. I'm holding until then.
But I think in this cycle,
I would not be surprised if it goes
150.
Couple good people I trust think it's gonna go to 250.
It's fun to watch, but I'm also, like, watching my own, like, human instinct behavior. I'm like, Chris, you're holding for 1,000,000 plus?
Yeah. Exactly. To go. So so you do you actually do believe that in the in the long longer term that it'll be 1,000,000 plus? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't have any doubts. I used to have some doubts, and I just I've studied more and thought more and seeing what's happening.
Russ:
Sorry. I'm staring at her.
Chris Reavis:
Yeah. No. You know, I'm cautious. I wouldn't put everything I have into it
at all, but, it's how I'm gonna leave it's how I am leaving generational wealth for for my kids and when I have grandkids as well. I mean, that's you know, I hope it changes the world for them. Right. And I don't know that my US dollar stuff will,
Russ:
right, in the same way. Yeah. And you know what you know what else that we didn't really touch on was
holding your own keys Yeah. To that wealth. That is an insanely
So powerful. Awesome powerful concept that a lot of people aren't.
No more money. Yeah. Exactly.
You when you when you log into your bank online, you see all you're seeing is a balance, and it's an Excel spreadsheet. You don't know if that money's actually there. It's not. But right. Exactly. It's being lent out. That's how they make they're making money off your money, and you get a little teeny bit of interest.
Yep. But
Chris Reavis:
but Bitcoin, you can literally hold your own keys. Oh, this is a totally different topic for me. You're right, though. And that's for most folks, when they're new, I just get them on. And then after that, yeah, here's how you take self custody. Yeah. And and people get a little scared of that. We're used to, like, banks feeling like they're safe, and we're brought up to think that banks are safe, and they're really not. But,
the power of being able to transact anywhere, anytime
for anything,
it's it's incredibly powerful.
And and to hand it over to your kids, and I'm not advocating doing anything illegal, you can have a trust and a will and all that structure, but it's very easy to do that
versus I've dealt with, you know, family dying and passing away, and dealing with lawyers and banks is a nightmare, even if you have stuff in order
Absolutely. Right? Here's the transaction. Go and put it in the wallet.
Yep. Yep. Other than that, I'm I'm, you know, just a little bit of a Bitcoin maxi.
Russ:
Yeah. Yeah.
Lindz:
Yeah. Well, you have been a wealth of knowledge, and I appreciate it. I know Russ is having the time of his life right now. I know.
Absolutely. Appreciate
Chris Reavis:
Yeah. You do.
Lindz:
Tell us about it.
Chris Reavis:
I'm excited. It, it comes out here it it should be out in May. So it's with the editors right now.
I I wrote 2 other books because I wanted to serve people. So one is about my journey with autism and my sons, one's about Bitcoin mining, and this one's about dealing with bullshit at work. And,
you know, if we're being honest, I think we all complain about we spend so much of our life talking about, I'm lost.
I mean, I do that. Right? And we come home, and it's I think a lot of times a stressor hits us. We don't have the skill to handle it, and so we just kinda bitch and moan about it, right? And so, for folks that don't wanna stay bitching and moaning about it, I walk through about 13 different skills that you can use.
I talk about, you know, side hustle or not side hustle. I've had good ones, I've had bad ones, so I walk people through that.
And then if it's really time to go, which sometimes it is. I'm not advocating to, like, stay in crap forever. But,
you know, when you do really need to go or it's a situation that's just illegal and immoral and you need to get out, like, here are the 10 steps to think about. Because usually in those states, we're, like, emotional and pissed and we're not, like, thinking through, and we might make a lifelong mistake.
You know, maybe burned our bridges too bad. So I walked through that. So that's that's it. There's a lot of anecdotal stories that,
I've gathered from all my friends and family. I've changed all the names.
But it's, you know, it's a mix of of humor, but also giving people some skills
that they might not have thought about or had.
Sometimes we do have to endure,
you know, for whatever reason, an unperfect work environment for a few months or a few years. And so how do you stay happy and healthy in that, Not sell yourself out,
you know, and not not swear and scream and over drink or anything else too. But how do you do it? So that's what the book's about,
and it's just stuff I've learned along the way and had smart people mentor me on. I just felt like I needed to share it. So That's awesome. Coming out probably about May, this year. Okay. And And where where can they get it? Because it Oh, it'll be on Amazon. All my stuff's on Amazon. Okay. Awesome. Awesome. So digital and paper? Or Yep. Yep. Kindle and paper. Yep. Totally. Sounds good. Okay.
Lindz:
So mark it down in May. We're gonna read your book and we'll do a book club in June and have you come back. You bet. And talk about your new book. We'll talk about the book then. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Seriously, I coulda used it all of what less than a year ago at this point. I went through a really hard work experience. But to kinda segue to
the question about your book here, not Yeah. My past,
so what do you believe is needed for someone to be successful in the workplace in today's environment?
Russ:
Wow.
Chris Reavis:
Buy Bitcoin. Yeah. Buy Bitcoin. But I I I think resilience is lacking and it's not just like financial industry, we don't really teach resilience, like, how to get through stuff. And maybe we don't have the strong family fabric that
used to have, whatever, but it it's the,
the folks I'm working with that are younger in their careers, it's not because they're young, but they just don't have that resilience yet.
You know? And it's it's maybe, like, a time preference. Like, I need something to change right now.
So, I mean, some of it is
stepping back and reflecting on it. What can you do?
You know, can you do something about us? Because a lot of times we go, as humans, myself included, we go to victim mode. They did this to me. I'm like, okay, get yourself out of victim mode. You know,
what's what's an action you can take? How can you could perceive what's happening? Now, if it's flat out illegal and discrimination, I'm not talking about that. Like, that's shit out. Sue the hell out of them. Right? That that's a different world. That's the outlier,
you know, a 100%.
I I think the other, though, is there's so many options right now,
gig economy, side hustle, other
things, that you can do, that you can take action on that
explore some of that, right, and spend your life energy there. It doesn't mean leave your job necessarily, but
play with Bitcoin mining, right, if that's your thing, or if it's art or whatever else. Like, don't
put all your blessed life energy into the job if you absolutely hate it.
But, also, don't, like,
don't hop place to place to place because, sadly, we bring all our crap with us from place to place to place. Right?
I'm like, why is the same thing showing up? I'm like, oh, because I'm here. That's me. Alright. Yeah. That's me.
Well, long answer to your question, but I think it's just,
you know, building up, like, those survival kind of resilience stuff and building yourself up and then maybe making the work thing that
we all bitch and complain about a little smaller, you know, maybe give a little less energy.
And if we're really, really gonna go for it, that person at work that we villainize or can't stand, maybe just thinking, like, one,
like, tiny nice thing about them or even open to the possibility that there might be something nice about them that's somewhere else on the planet. It's it's weird, those little tiny shifts.
It's like we start doing stuff different, you know? Like someone cut us off in traffic, and I'm like, oh, effing ass. I'm like, wait a second, maybe they had a shitty day and didn't see it, Right? Or their cat died or something. Like,
let me just back up and get off my stuff.
Russ:
Yeah. That
that
that's it's hard. It's super hard to change your mindset to that, but it's necessary. You gotta you gotta kinda get thick skin
without numbing yourself to certain things because you're allowed to have emotions.
100%. But but but don't overdo it. You know? Just wanna do it a 100 times. Exactly. Exactly.
Maybe 10, but not a 100. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
Yeah. I've I've always
I've had, you know, everybody's had work issues. And
one of one of the issues that I had,
I was told to,
you know, think about
what they might have going on. And I'm like, you know what?
I really do need to do that because
they
this person may or may not have a lot
of health issues or family issues. And, yeah, that might be grumpy. They might've said something that was
not nice, but Right.
Big deal.
Right.
You know, let's move on and
and keep working together. And,
if you bring it up to him, usually, it fixes the problem anyway.
Chris Reavis:
Often does. Yeah. And it's funny how,
you know, I I know for myself and I think just everyone I've known, it's like we've had that one bad boss or one bad work situation. We probably told the story, like, a 100 times. Yeah. Like, why am I wasting my precious life energy on this planet,
like, reliving that a 100 times? And I've done it. Like, I'm not, like, saying I'm better than anyone or anything here, but For sure. That's just dumb. It really is so dumb.
Russ:
What the hell?
Yeah. You're living in the past. It's like, that's over. Dog. You're my kid either. Yeah.
Exactly.
Lindz:
Well, you have certainly enlightened Russ with this topic, and you have educated me with all the Bitcoin stuff. Awesome. We have one last question for you, Chris. This is a fun one.
Yeah. This is the one we ask all of our guests. Yeah. If you won $10,000,000
tonight, what is the first thing you would do tomorrow? You can probably guess I'd buy Bitcoin.
Russ:
You have 10,000,000?
Chris Reavis:
You know, I would probably put 9,000,000
flat out in Bitcoin, and I would do a 1,000,000 in Bitcoin mining.
Because they're there's a the other thing about Bitcoin mining is a tax write off. So if you do it as a company, the energy spend and the miner spend is a business expense.
So you actually can make your Bitcoin investment a little bit larger that way.
Lindz:
Oh, learn something else.
Chris Reavis:
Yeah. Yeah. So but, yeah, I would put 9,000,000
in that, and,
I would probably disappear to El Salvador, some country that has Bitcoin as its currency.
Russ:
What is it? El El Zonte? Is it isn't that the the Bitcoin Beach over there? Yeah. I was looking at that. I was like, man, we got a vacation.
Lindz:
Told everyone where Chris is going. Go.
Russ:
My bad.
Where'd that go?
Yeah. Right?
Chris Reavis:
Yeah.
Lindz:
Well, again, Chris, we can't thank you enough for joining us. Like, this has been amazing. And, seriously, when your book comes out, I do wanted to have you back, and we can Yeah. Talk it through and
go over all of our experiences together, do a little therapy
Russ:
a little drama. Yeah. And we'll talk about all time highs in June. That's right.
Lindz:
There you go. So I do hope you come back and talk to us again. Thank you so much. Yeah. You bet. My honor. Thank you. Alright.
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Chris Reavis
Divergent Thinker
My expertise is making complex topics easy to understand by a variety of audiences - in this case, demystifying Bitcoin investing. To date, I have helped over 80 investors on their journeys to create generational wealth with Bitcoin. None of them were tech experts, financial gurus, or economists. All of them learned a ton and enjoy a positive return.
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